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Thread: The 300g Touring Binding Thread
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03-06-2019, 06:18 PM #201
If only someone could've seen this coming!
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03-06-2019, 06:56 PM #202
Friend of mine got "Sallied" last week.
His MTNs did not release in a crust-caused fall, and he broke his tibial plateau. Had to be heli-evaced from deep in the mountains near Jasper BC. His love affair with MTNs is most certainly over.
Obviously, no lateral toe release is a known issue with most tech bindings, but think he was surprised he did not come out at all. He certainly expected to.Last edited by meter-man; 03-06-2019 at 07:43 PM.
sproing!
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03-06-2019, 07:00 PM #203Registered User
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Yeah I’m going to say if you stomp on an ultra light riser in the wrong position you are likely to break it. These 300g bindings are not exactly fragile but do need care. Vibes to the sallied buddy too. Tech has its limits.
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03-06-2019, 08:03 PM #204Registered User
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Last edited by XXX-er; 03-06-2019 at 09:05 PM.
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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03-06-2019, 09:31 PM #206
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03-07-2019, 01:14 AM #207
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03-07-2019, 10:36 AM #208Registered User
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so did your friend get “sallied” or did he get “tech-bindinged”
can you tell the difference?
would he have released from a dynafit, an atk, a g3?
was he fucked no matter what?
I have no idea, dont own salomons. Just curious what leads you to believe its a salomon specific issue
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03-07-2019, 10:42 AM #209
Another advantage of sub-300 gram bindings. Since they weigh less the heli can fly you faster to the hospital.
at least the binding didn't weigh him down on the weigh upWell maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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03-07-2019, 10:49 AM #210
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03-07-2019, 10:53 AM #211
IMVHO, that Dynafit flipper is a solution to a problem that didn't exist.
Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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03-07-2019, 10:58 AM #212Registered User
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weigh faster eh
But seriously when it comes to tech bindings people talk about weight first/foremost then maybe price and whether or not its likely to break (guarrantied)
they never talk about safety
yes one flippy lifter is supported and the other (most flippy designs) are notLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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03-07-2019, 11:10 AM #213
what do you need the extra riser for anyway
(I also read an awful lot of musings about tech toe elasticity/release, tech binding release tests in machines, how the Shift is the only acceptable choice for "everyday touring" due to its supposedly superior release characteristics, etc... at least on TGR I think the ultralight people are the minority)
fwiw I absolutely loathed the Speed Radical heels. I'm like 150lbs soaking wet and every step on the low (more supported) riser and I could feel the thing flex and bend, I was always afraid it would snap right off. It's heavier than a speed turn, with no extra features except that you can't easily rotate it with your pole, and exploding risers which I guess might count as a feature. I also always had snow building up under the boot heel preventing the for-some-reason-not-circular tower base from easily rotating unless I poked the snow away with a ski pole.
shit bindings if you ask me.
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03-07-2019, 11:18 AM #214
The other question/issue is skiing with locked toes. I know several people who always lock their toes because they don't "trust" pin bindings to not release. Granted, it's oftentimes body weight dependent but for me at least it's rarely necessary to lock the toe, even on the uphill.
And, MTN flippy lifters are the best. The old pole tower twist routine is a slow PIA.
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03-07-2019, 11:21 AM #215
I too have no idea. Probably impossible to say with certainty. As noted, it might just have been a dead spot issue. Wild Snow did a great article on this awhile ago, and can't remember if it has been posted here. "Ripping Ligaments & Snapping Bones — Tech Binding Release Testing" https://www.wildsnow.com/15123/tech-...cl-broken-leg/
Looking forward to when we get a 300g tech binder with lateral toe release like the Vipec.sproing!
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03-07-2019, 12:45 PM #216
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03-07-2019, 01:00 PM #217Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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03-07-2019, 01:18 PM #218Registered User
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Failing to clear the pins and springs even once and the ski is very likely to fall off so after what some people term a pre release they just lock the toes.
this ^^ became most apparent to me using a light tech ski to set up B-nets for a race in a snow storm, I wanted the light weight for walking around but what happened was I couldn't/didnt always clear the pins or springs cuz I was carrying stuff so the skis fell off repeatedly
IME TECH bindings suck to work in
I do lock toes for the up because the heel piece is not there to hold the boot straight with the toes in the pins so the pins are going to release, that IS how they are suposed to work
As pointed out flippy lifters are a solution to a problem that didn't exist before the RAD1, every one of them out there is a ticking time bomb
whereas the Verts and Comforts did NOT break as long as the skier didnt try to use the pole as a lever instead of something to Rotate the heelpiece but even if a tower did break the heelpiece didn't explodeLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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03-07-2019, 01:49 PM #219
I should qualify my statement by mentioning that I'm talking exclusively about the Atomic/Salomon Backland/MTN binding, which I bought three years ago after a Dynafit Rad heel exploded while skiing downhill.
In addition to not failing at the worst possible time, and unlike Dynafit bindings, the Backland/MTN binding has enough toe strength to not require an uphill lockout. Most have probably forgotten to unlock their toes from time-to-time for the downhill. With the Backland/MTN it's not an issue. I can still pop out of the binding unlocked in tour mode if I carelessly stomp on the ski but otherwise it's never a problem. You also get reliable flippy lifters.
I just mounted a set of Plum Oazo bindings and I'm hoping for similar reliability/benefits in an even weight weenie-er package.
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03-07-2019, 02:33 PM #220
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03-07-2019, 02:55 PM #221Low Post JONG
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Hafjell, are you still skiing on Zeds? Just curious as I thought I remember you getting them warrantied/replaced with Ion LTs after yours failed so spectacularly.
I've also been wondering if there's any issues popping up regularly with production Zeds now that they've been out in the field for several months? I'm on ~20 days with them -- no issues and quite happy.
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03-07-2019, 02:58 PM #222
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03-07-2019, 08:00 PM #223
I’ve got some extra Tecton toes...could
I pair those with a xenic heel and get a ~400 g binding with a more alpine like toe?wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
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03-07-2019, 08:03 PM #224Registered User
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03-07-2019, 08:29 PM #225
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