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Thread: The 300g Touring Binding Thread
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10-19-2019, 09:25 AM #326Registered User
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10-19-2019, 03:33 PM #330Registered User
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The 300g Touring Binding Thread
ATK has to be one of the most confusing ranges out there. Coupled with the US import Hagen and BD debacle.
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10-19-2019, 05:12 PM #331
They first came to the US a while back branded as La Sportiva then quickly disappeared because of an epidemic of broken toe wings.
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10-22-2019, 10:38 AM #332
Continuing with the ATK confusion, it looks like they have a more "normal" version of the Raider now they are calling the R12. That is a binding I want to buy.
https://www.atkbindings.com/en/prodo...tblue-2019-en/
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10-22-2019, 11:28 AM #333
I recently sort of suggested that one to a friend who might be scared of the front binding brake of the Raider 2.0. I say sort of suggested, because you NEVER buy an AT binding the first year it's sold to the public.
So to help with the "confusion", just got to the ATK site when interested, and then see if the same thing is carried by Hagen or BD, then if you like it, buy it from Telemark-Pyrenees, or wherever, and then source parts from the US brands, (not that you'll ever need parts).Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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10-22-2019, 11:34 AM #334
Totally with you on that. Im not scared of the front brake per say, I just like the look of that toe a little more. Also, neither Hagan or BD have that binding on their site. I just sent an email to Hagan asking if they were going to get that in this year, which I doubt they will. Also, I wonder if the brake eliminates the need for the freeride spacer. Im very curious.
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10-22-2019, 11:43 AM #335
From the site, it's optional:
New FREERIDE SPACER ( optional ): with this new accessory, we covered and exceeded the gap in between tech and apline bindings providing an astonishing downhill performance.Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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10-22-2019, 11:58 AM #336
Wait, sorry, I think the link I posted earlier was the original Raider binding? Is that correct?
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10-22-2019, 02:45 PM #337
Dude. That binding, the RT12 is new for this season. Read the description:
Developing the new RAIDER family has been the hardest challenge in the whole ATK® company life. How to improve our R12 2.0 collection?
The new “R12” family shows 4 different productive Technologies and 6 ATK® Patents, among which the new Snow Pack Proof System® which avoids the snow, ice or debris entrance under the toe piece locking mechanism.Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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10-22-2019, 02:49 PM #338
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11-15-2019, 05:51 PM #339
Bumping this. The new ATK line really LOOKS great.
R12 or FR14 or even the crest 10.
https://www.atkbindings.com/en/produ...ee-touring-en/
Only the crest 10 has a hagen counterpart - the pure 10.
https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...ure-10-binding
https://www.atkbindings.com/wp-conte.../r12_rev04.pdf
Things I want to know:
-what is the delta between pin heights? I care more about this
Things I know:
-330-360g with brakes.
-3 riser heights
-seemingly simple system/mechanism for brake retraction while touring
Things I think I know, but I want one of the engineers to agree or disagree.
-minimal elasticity, probably a typically harsh tech binding ride
-more likely to cause a tib/fib than an ACL injury. No lateral toe release like a vipec/tecton.
Trying to choose a binding in this class is proving difficult. I want brakes, a flat-ish ramp, 300g class weight, and good ease of use.
I am sensitive to ramp angle, so the xenic is out.
I am sensitive to bindings breaking for no good reason, so I'm leery of the Zed.
I am sensitive to being markered, but the alpinist reviews seem very good. Flat ramp is nice.
And then there's the ATK family. Which I don't know enough about yet.
Alpinist also is very easily obtained here in the states and cheaper than the others. But then it's...marker...
What would the mags do?wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
Zoolander wasn't a documentary?
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11-15-2019, 09:54 PM #340Registered User
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Ive spent a few hundred days on the Freeraider 14 2.0 over the last couple years, and love them. I trust their release and durability more than any touring binding out there.
I haven’t skied the new FR series, but have played with them in person, and generally approve of the changes.
I have no idea (nor do I care) about ramp angle, but I’ve found their customer service to be excellent, so I recommend emailing them. It’s a small company, so you’ll probably be connected with their engineer / designer, who can answer anything.
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11-16-2019, 01:58 AM #341
I don't know about the delta on the new ones, but I have a hard time imagening that it's less than on the old ones. The brake pads get on the way of that, is my guess.
The old 12 could be shimmed with atks own toe adjustment paf, bringing it down to 6mm-ish.Last edited by sf; 11-16-2019 at 02:51 AM.
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11-16-2019, 02:49 AM #342
Pretty sure the shim for the old 12 would work on the crest, but not the new 12
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11-16-2019, 11:28 AM #343
Brake pedestal does not replace Freeride spacer on either r12 or r14. That is why the r14 comes with those extra spacers, which when mounted have a sliding afds and are independent of the brake pedestal. The height adjument is then hidden by the sliding afds. Lots of moving parts...... Optionally you can run the spacer AL09.
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11-16-2019, 12:06 PM #344Registered User
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11-16-2019, 07:14 PM #345Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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11-16-2019, 08:42 PM #346
It’s the ramp. That’s what I don’t like about the mtn. The heels are 9mm taller than the toe. No thanks.
wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
Zoolander wasn't a documentary?
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11-17-2019, 12:17 AM #347Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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11-17-2019, 12:23 AM #348
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11-17-2019, 02:57 PM #349
The 300g Touring Binding Thread
Could I? Yes.
Even been touring with someone you swear was dumb enough to lose a ski?
That might be me. I might be a brakes and leashes cat.
But mostly, I just hate looking like a complete idiot trying to transition to ski mode and being unable to get into the damn binding. Brakes seem to help.
And yes.
I can shim. I shimmed my vipecs and tectons. Would rather not have to add weight to a 300g clamp.wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
Zoolander wasn't a documentary?
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11-17-2019, 03:57 PM #350
I've been thinking of carrying a light set of leashes (for sketchy transitions) with skis that I normally run with brakes.
Tired an fumbly at the top, with a transition where brakes don't do much good, and the weather is crappy - a combination that sets me up for a stupid moment.
The sketchy nature of clicking into my Vipec Blacks got me to thinking about this last year.
Maybe it's just simpler to ditch the brakes on these skis and go with leashes on all of my skis ... or, as you said, go with the belts and braces approach.
... ThomGalibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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