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Thread: The 300g Touring Binding Thread
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02-09-2019, 11:59 AM #126
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02-10-2019, 02:03 AM #129Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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02-12-2019, 03:22 PM #130
Thanks for the post auvgeek! What is the "auv" anyway?
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02-12-2019, 03:22 PM #131Registered User
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02-12-2019, 11:30 PM #132
so what are the sub 300g options for heavy guys? mtn with the expert spring, tlt speed, superlite 2.0 what else? most of these bindings seem to specify an rv of 10 max. what would you pick if it needed to go to 11 or 12 and keep it under 300g?
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02-13-2019, 12:41 AM #133Registered User
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I believe the MTN with an expert spring is supposed to be an RV of 11 or 12.
BUT I think smooth skiing becomes the biggest factor. I am 165 lbs and I've done a couple 15+ foot drops on my MTN's with the stock spring but that margin for error is much slimmer than burlier touring bindings. With no elastic travel at a certain weight, you will likely to blow out of a lighter binding in variable snow at inopportune times.
It might be worth looking at the Ion LT 12 which is heavier.
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02-13-2019, 08:14 AM #134Rod9301
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I ski both the g3 ion and the mtn, and i see or feel no difference in elasticity.
In the g3 there is a spring that supposedly keeps the heel flush against the boot, but it's very week so it really doesn't work like an alpine binding as far as elasticity is concerned.
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02-13-2019, 08:45 AM #135Registered User
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I don’t think the Ion will be significantly better but you can adjust the rv to ‘12’ whatever that really means and the toe piece is slightly burlier. I would still consider the Ion to have no real elastic travel.
The lightest bindings with ‘real’ elastic travel would be a Vipec.
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02-13-2019, 09:05 AM #136Registered User
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No, I understand that BD just rebranded existing ATK bindings that have already been released. I had forgotten that the Haute Route was the same heel as the RT 2.0. But still, I thought that heel was in it's third season, which isn't new but isn't a "very long time" to me.
But frankly, you're correct: my view is biased because I don't know anyone who skis ATK bindings and they don't seem to have a big following here (either in NA or TGR-land) so they could have a whole slew of failures and I wouldn't really know about it. I'm excited for the BD distribution because then we might see widespread adoption, and I can get a better handle on their failure rate firsthand.
Lindahl was selling some ATK Raider 14 (OG, not the new version). Light and goes to 14. But yeah, not gonna ski like a Tecton."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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02-13-2019, 09:27 AM #137
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02-13-2019, 10:19 AM #138Registered User
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Fair enough, I would imagine that the internals of the RT and RT 2.0 are the same. I believe that all changed was the integrated heel lifter and the corners rounded off. And RT heel has been around for a long time. Early on there were toe failures from the RT and I have had a heel lifter failure on the original RT heel(since replaced with a better designed version) but I have never had any misgivings about the heel structurally. I ski them on my 'resort' powder skis and my wife skis them on her no fall mountaineering skis.
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02-13-2019, 10:34 AM #139
The 300g Touring Binding Thread
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02-13-2019, 01:14 PM #140
My short list for a lightweight Spring ski has come down to the Crest 280 & Haute Route 2.0 (thanks, @grinch for the awesome deal on those Praxis EXPs).
It looks as if both binders use the Trofeo Monolink toe (springs on only one side).
@Summit ... was the elastic travel at the heel of the Crest your deciding factor over (for example) the Haute Route 2.0? I realize it's hard to compare if you haven't extensively skied both binders, but I'm curious about any further thoughts.
Over in this thread (https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...e-Route)/page4):
- Post #34, I note that @stuntmanbo commented that the Crest and Raider have elastic heel travel (a combo of spring loading + 4mm gap).
- Post #62 (@plugboots linked to a Wildsnow photo) - showing the spring.
- Post #81 (the spring apparently adds 4mm of travel)
I suppose the conservative approach would be to go with the RT 2.0 (toe having in production for a longer time). I hate being a beta tester, but ATK gives me the same confidence I have with Fritschi (famous last words).
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02-13-2019, 03:45 PM #141
Does anyone know what the delta/pin height on the ATK Crest 280 is? Just did a quick scan of the website and the skimo chart but couldn't find it.
https://www.atkbindings.com/en/prodo.../crest-280-gr/
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02-13-2019, 09:06 PM #142Registered User
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They use different toes. Crest uses the same toe as Trofeo(Helio 145) and HR 2.0(Helio 200) uses the same toe as the race binding(Helio 110, SL Evo WC)
This is why the Helio 200(HR 2.0) is so close in weight to the Helio 180(Trofeo Plus) while having fully adjustable release.
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02-14-2019, 08:48 AM #143
Thanks! That's really helpful.
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"Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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02-14-2019, 11:55 AM #145
And what’s up with this mono link business. Good in theory and good in practice?
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02-14-2019, 12:11 PM #146Registered User
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02-14-2019, 12:16 PM #147
I like the theory - fewer parts and less possibility for icing - hopefully with no clamping compromise. The latter is easy for a good enngineer to design (i.e. lever arms), and the ATK guys seem really solid.
So much for prognostication ...
I'm hoping @Summit (or snyone else) can pass some field experience to us.
I'll bet the majority of the intended user base is unlike us - that they could care less about being early adopters.
... Thom
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02-14-2019, 10:29 PM #148
Crest 280, about 5 days on them... as user friendly as a non-Vipec/Tecton can be
Easy step in, easy transition, no prereleases (but really only used in pow and groomers)
Ramp angle, its ~12mm difference between the front pin center (28mm) and back pin center (40mm). So look at Lous chart for reference: https://www.wildsnow.com/10733/get-u...for-your-ramp/
Skiing with Alien RS on a Voile Hypervector V6 178... so damn light compared to Technica ZG TP on a DPS Wailer A112 184 with TectonsOriginally Posted by blurred
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02-15-2019, 12:36 AM #149
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02-15-2019, 06:41 AM #150
In the fall I picked up the UltraVector BC 177 with Atomic Backland Carbon and Dynafit Speed Turn.
It's insane how light the whole setup is compared to my 186 EHPs with Vertical FT12 (with brakes and toe shim) and Lange FT 130s, or compared to my 186 Renegades with Shifts and Lange FT 130s.Last edited by reckless toboggan; 02-15-2019 at 07:36 AM.
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