The 300g Touring Binding Thread

[margotron]

im sure it's been covered but what leashes to get

[Eluder]

ATK/Black Diamond leases are the best going for traditional style leashes IMO, they have a break away feature. Some like the B & D ski gear leashes but they are kinda long.

[3PinGrin]

Some like the B & D ski gear leashes but they are kinda long.

The length is part of what makes them great IMO. You can remove your skis without taking leashes off. That has already saved me from chasing a ski once. They stay out of the way otherwise due to being coiled, but they obviously aren't as sleek as typical leashes and have a bit of a "made in the garage" look. They kind of remind me of Gravity Dropper MTB posts. They look rough around the edges but are well thought out and work great. For me at least.

[3PinGrin]

im sure it's been covered but what leashes to get

I have some unused ones that came with my Salomon MTN bindings if interested. $10?

[XXX-er]

The length is part of what makes them great IMO. You can remove your skis without taking leashes off. That has already saved me from chasing a ski once. They stay out of the way otherwise due to being coiled, but they obviously aren't as sleek as typical leashes and have a bit of a "made in the garage" look. They kind of remind me of Gravity Dropper MTB posts. They look rough around the edges but are well thought out and work great. For me at least.

Yup this ^^ long yes but cuz of the coily bit they stay out of the way, the idea as i understand it is the ski can get away from you and lose energy as it does so, I never actuly tried that part but it makes sense

In use one can hook em up at the car and unhook em at the car end of day, leave them attached while dealing with skins, while eating lunch whatever, you can even walk with a ski in each hand over a rock band

I used the BnD for a season and they worked fine, having said that I like brakes better so I put the brakes back on my Verticals even tho they are kind of a shitty brake

[galibier_numero_un]

I'm a fan of longer leashes to prevent bonehead moves on my part from resulting in a lost ski when trying to click into a ski in a sketchy position. My strategy is to always be leashed except for when the skis are on my pack. In these situations, I clip the leashes on before removing the skis from my pack - at least in questionable terrain.

One thing I've found about the B&D leashes, is when it's cold, if you stretch them, they stay somewhat elongated until they warm up at home.

Its not a problem if you wrap them around your boot the way most folks do, but then you lose some length.

After the apocalypse, I'm going to play with the leashes that came with my Plum Guides. They stretch out to about 40", and I'll use the B&D fuses with them.

The Plum leashes come with their own fuse - a small loop of nylon cord (1mm). It has a lap joint which looks as if they heat welded the nylon together. If you blow the fuse, you'll either have to roll your own or buy some from skimo (either B&D or Maurelli fuses).

I can't figure out the ATK leashes that came with my Helios. If theyre fused, then it's the main, coily part which means it's destroyed a leash (at $33/pair), and you're also without a leash for the rest of the tour/trip. I ain't testing mine to find out where they break (saving them for resale, on the off chance I sell the binders ... yeah, right).

With the Plums, and B&Ds, when you blow the fuse, you still have a usable leash.

Post #53 shows my B&D leashes when they're not stretched out (OCD material follows. Don't say I didn't warn you):
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/....php?p=5940350

... Thom

[XXX-er]

yeah I used to loop them around my ankle

a really good thing is you can't lose the ski, was on top of a summit where you do not want to drop a ski so I ripped skins and thru that ski down in haphazard manner .

which absolutely freaked the guide out

[galibier_numero_un]

yeah I used to loop them around my ankle

a really good thing is you can't lose the ski, was on top of a summit where you do not want to drop a ski so I ripped skins and thru that ski down in haphazard manner .

which absolutely freaked the guide out

Yeah, in that link in my post above, I describe that scenario, and why I transitioned to attaching my leash to my boot, and clipping to the toe piece instead of clipping to my boot.

... Thom

[3PinGrin]

Yeah, in that link in my post above, I describe that scenario, and why I transitioned to attaching my leash to my boot, and clipping to the toe piece instead of to my boot.

... Thom

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[meter-man]

Anybody use the Alpinist brakes? Do they suck? I know they have a pull tab string that breaks easily...any other insight?

Also, can I buy a brakeless version (https://www.snowinn.com/ski-store/ma...778&country=us) and then buy the brake after-market, or would I be missing some critical piece. ETA: Comments in the skimo.com listing suggest I could do that... https://skimo.co/marker-brakes

I'm thinking about getting the 115mm for my Protests (128 underfoot). Can the brake be bent enough to accommodate that ski (+13mm)?

[EricB]

Getting the LT with brakes gives you 30mm of BSL adjustability vs. 15mm on the standard ones. I’d imagine the weight difference is negligible.

The brakes are a little finicky and the arms are a little more flimsy that others, but after a few dozen days they are issue free and haven’t gone far during a release or two. One main benefit they have are clicking in on slick surfaces - the skis don’t slide around like they would with leashes.

[Spyderjon]

Anybody use the Alpinist brakes? Do they suck? I know they have a pull tab string that breaks easily...any other insight?

Also, can I buy a brakeless version (https://www.snowinn.com/ski-store/ma...778&country=us) and then buy the brake after-market, or would I be missing some critical piece. ETA: Comments in the skimo.com listing suggest I could do that... https://skimo.co/marker-brakes

I'm thinking about getting the 115mm for my Protests (128 underfoot). Can the brake be bent enough to accommodate that ski (+13mm)?

meter-man, I've PM'd you.

IIRC, the brake widths are reasonably generous and they have two bends per lever so tweaking them wider is easy enough. I widened some 90mm brakes the other day to fit a 102mm ski and it only took a nudge with a vice'n'pipe. Should be easy to tweak the 115mm brakes for a 128mm ski. I'll measure the 115mm brakes in the morning and let you know how they size.

[Spyderjon]

Factory 115mm Alpinist brake on a Whitedot Ragnarok ASYM ski which are 122mm underfoot. Will only need a little tweak to clear a 128mm ski.

[cravenmorhead]

Getting the LT with brakes gives you 30mm of BSL adjustability vs. 15mm on the standard ones. I’d imagine the weight difference is negligible.

The brakes are a little finicky and the arms are a little more flimsy that others, but after a few dozen days they are issue free and haven’t gone far during a release or two. One main benefit they have are clicking in on slick surfaces - the skis don’t slide around like they would with leashes.

I agree with all of this. They're a little weak, but I still like them a lot more than leashes.

[meter-man]

Thanks for the feedback and photos people!

Buying a pair from Spyderjon...with brakes.

I have leashes on another pair of Alpinists but brakes seem to make more sense on a powder ski....my reasoning is suspect, so I will test and report back. Next winter. Sigh...

[macon]

Looks like the Black Diamond 350 has been released and it appears to be a mix between the ATK Crest 10 and the ATK R12. It has the R12 rear but with a crest toe piece... so it's basically an ATK Crest 12. Obviously it also has BD branding. Unsure about compatibility with the new-style freeride spacer, but if it's an R12 rear then it should be fully compatible.

It hasn't been posted on the BD website yet, but Moment already has some they're selling:

https://www.momentskis.com/products/...mond-helio-350

[Norseman]

that looks sweet.

[sruffian]

really does. neutral colorway too. we will have to thank whoever is paying $700 RETAIL for this product for subsidizing bringing atk to the US. holy shit that's spendy

[retirwntm]

^thats a lot of drill and fills


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[Boissal]

really does. neutral colorway too. we will have to thank whoever is paying $700 RETAIL for this product for subsidizing bringing atk to the US. holy shit that's spendy

That price is getting into mountain biking territory... Ridiculous.

[galibier_numero_un]

That price is getting into mountain biking territory... Ridiculous.

Pretty nutty indeed. Quite the premium being paid for US warranty support.

It's like high shipping insurance rates. If you ship a lot, you get to the point where you self insure (skip paying outrageous premiums) and take your chances.

Same thing with these binders - buy ATKs from Yurp for much less, and take your chances.

... Thom

[mall walker]

just buy the 180s you damn dentists

[galibier_numero_un]

just buy the 180s you damn dentists

My left knee is a big fan of having a lower lateral RV than vertical.

Don't get XXX-er started on this topic ;-)


... Thom

[mall walker]

My left knee is a big fan of having a lower lateral RV than vertical.

Don't get XXX-er started on this topic ;-)


... Thom

yeah but with all the money you save on the bindings you can afford a second set of knees!

[CaliBrit]

Looks like the Black Diamond 350 has been released and it appears to be a mix between the ATK Crest 10 and the ATK R12. It has the R12 rear but with a crest toe piece... so it's basically an ATK Crest 12. Obviously it also has BD branding. Unsure about compatibility with the new-style freeride spacer, but if it's an R12 rear then it should be fully compatible.

It hasn't been posted on the BD website yet, but Moment already has some they're selling:

https://www.momentskis.com/products/...mond-helio-350

This seems like an odd choice. If they brought the R12 or better the FR14 for $700 it would’ve borderline ok. But the R12 heel doesn’t offer much over the Crest heel other than 2 extra release points. So this is just at crest at $700. Which is pretty nuts.