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Thread: Chinese Goggles on Amazon
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01-27-2020, 10:40 PM #251Registered User
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01-28-2020, 08:13 AM #253Registered User
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01-28-2020, 11:39 AM #254
Trigger pulled, thanks!
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So I received mine today and have some initial impressions from just looking them over inside. Again I don't work for a goggle company but design products professionally.
Going to be comparing to some Smith IO X Chromapop's and Optic Nerve googles that were around $100 new. That way it's a good high end and "quality budget" comparison
Accessories
-The "protective case" is 1/2 molded foam 1/2 mesh on the back. While definitely not as protective as a case that has molded sides on both at least this way they can kinda dry in the case if they still have some residual moisture in them. There is a secondary pocket on the molded side for an extra lens, nice feature. One of the cases I got has a different molding detail on them than the other.
-"Carrying pouch" is your standard microfiber 1 pocket bag. Doesn't have a second pocket like Smith bags for an extra lens.
Frames
-Molding looks to be pretty good, certainly not the best I've ever seen but better than I thought it'd be for the price. Slightly under Optic Nerve quality. They are painted after molding instead of the plastic actually being tinted.
-Foam seems good and is actually different densities, not just different colors (easy cost saving switch over in asia). But time will show the quality of the foam, adhesive, and how well it was applied.
-The frame sticks out further from your face, than the I/OX or the Optic Nerve's especially underneath your eyes. So they definitely reduce your peripheral vision where you need it the most (right out in front of you)
Strap
-Feels good, and has a decent bit of silicone printing on it. Loop ends are just single row stitched (Smith IO are ended with a molded plastic piece) which I'd expect to be the first thing to fail on the strap. Also the bulkiness of how they are ended/ looped over makes adjustment a little more of a fiddle. Time will really show how good it actually it in the elastic durability department.
Lenses
- Clear & "Gold" mirrored
They both don't have an amazing anti glare coating on the inside as you can see your eyes reflected on the inside layer. Can't on my Smith and Optic Nerve lenses. Will be interesting to take them outside and see how the do in glare situations. This is definitely something that a lot of fancy looking but cheap lenses have problems with. The actual molding of the lenses is good, equal to or a little worse than my Optic Nerve lenses, but again, not Smith quality. If you're an average user you probably won't notice it. The lenses aren't polarized (did see that they had one style of lens that was advertised as pol. but wasn't available to order). Sealing of the inner layer has some spots that looked like they weren't fully glued but pressing on it seemed to adhere the spots, so something to watch out for. There are some very little scratches on the lens out of the box, but for the price it's to be expected.
Magnets
They seem nice and strong and glued in well, on both the frames and lenses, right now. Again time will tell how good the glue and it's application actually is. They force seems like a good balance between good retention but not too strong it's hard to switch lenses. Guess I'll just have to tomahawk this winter to test that...
*edit* hit a tree this winter (pretty major concussion) and the lenses kinda dislodged in the crash but didn't come off
Cost
So other that some of the cost cutting measures that I've already talked about there is another big reason why these things cost so little. The development cost was essentially already paid for by Smith, Oakley, Dragon, etc. Those companies actually spent the time, energy, and money to develop all the tech you see in these goggles. Then whoever is actually making these comes along and copies their tech without having to invest in serious development and testing.
TL;DR
Now if I had friends who only ski a few times a year and ask me if they should get these goggles...I might recommend them. I'd probably explain to them what I just did above, but for your casual skier these will work just fine. Someone who's used nicer stuff for a while might be wanting a little more (IF the durability isn't a problem)Last edited by NorCalNomad; 03-25-2020 at 09:41 AM.
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01-29-2020, 12:21 AM #256
Nobody cares where you bought your goggles. Just don't act like buying a pair of knock off ray deflectors from one of Bezos subsidized distribution centers is good for the ski industry. Also $200+ googles are fucking stupid but local ski shops are pretty cool and most offer good goggles for about $80-$100 from companies that stand behind there product and treat there employees well.
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01-29-2020, 09:37 AM #257
Tried the outdoor master cylindrical google. Sending the back after 5 runs, they were fogging on the outside of the lens and I wasn’t breathing hard, not even medium exertion, and they gave me a splitting headache from the horrible lens quality. Prices on Smith googles is beyond stupid, even with pro deals, but they work great.
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01-29-2020, 09:48 AM #258
Interesting. I had the opposite experience with the OM "pro frameless" model - much less fogging than with my Smith I/OS goggles. For me, the I/OS always fogs directly in the center of the lens and rapidly expands, but the OM only fogs a little strip along the very top of the lens. I didn't have any issues with lens clarity/distortion in the three OM lenses I purchased, but may have just gotten lucky.
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01-29-2020, 02:14 PM #259
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01-30-2020, 12:01 AM #260Registered User
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I was pretty blown away walking OR today and seeing them have a booth.
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That's pretty crazy. That said, there's definitely a market for decent gear at more reasonable prices. I ski at a local hill (not a resort or destination ski area) and Chinese goggle brands are everywhere. Zionor, OM, Xevo, you name it. And this is in one of the wealthiest markets in the US where their OM goggles will be matched with their Patagonia jacket. It's an interesting phenomenon for sure.
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01-30-2020, 11:15 AM #263Registered User
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01-30-2020, 02:09 PM #264
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01-30-2020, 04:22 PM #266
Like I said. Not even medium exertion. No mouth breathing. Just skiing fast groomers. They were fogging on the outside due to what appeared to be left over production residue. But the splitting headache due to crap optic’s. Well that is a sign that they’re bad goggles. I bought a pair of the spherical ones last year and they work great for snowmobiling and working outside in the elements without worrying about ruining them. But the cylindrical ones suck.
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01-30-2020, 07:18 PM #267
Oh, the haters are still trying to justify paying $200 for their goggles and are talking shit again. Well allow me to followup
Purchased my first pair for a trip to whistler in Jan 2017. Still rocking them. I treat them like shit, never use the bag and just stuff them in my helmet with my gloves after riding. No scratches on the silver mirrored lens. They still don't fog up unless I'm sweating like a pig. I now own 4 pairs + 4 extra lenses for low light, one for each member of my family. So yeah, I'm happy saving $600 on goggles for the family. And I'd love it if you should show me where oakley or any other brand states their goggles are rated safety eyewear.
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01-30-2020, 08:37 PM #268
+1 , the reason I was exprsssing concern about UV several pages back is because I ski higher elevation, but also have some aftermath of eye injuries. Only a couple days on my OM’s, and granted they were storm days but no sign of headache from UV or optics here.
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01-31-2020, 08:56 AM #269
Why did you buy the cylindrical? That shape always has distortion. Figure at $20, why not spend the cash for spherical. Test running my new OM this weekend. I’ve had several different chinese goggles with no issues other than fit. One set went to my nephew who needed OTG goggles and my son stole my other two pair.
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01-31-2020, 09:40 AM #270Squaw Cares
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02-02-2020, 08:14 AM #273
Got my pairs, I’m stoked on initial quality. Seems like a win so far, ill check back in a few weeks...
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02-02-2020, 12:50 PM #274
Wish the price was better on the replacement lens.
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02-03-2020, 12:32 PM #275
have they ever had a coupon that worked just for the lenses? Seems silly to have to buy a whole new pair of goggles to get lenses. I have 2 pair of goggles already, I just need a lens or two!
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