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Thread: Could you stop eating meat?
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11-29-2018, 09:34 AM #126
Personality goes a long way......
VINCENT
Want some bacon?
JULES
Naw, man, I don't eat pork.
VINCENT
Are you Jewish?
JULES
I ain't Jewish, I just don't dig on swine, that's all.
VINCENT
Why not?
JULES
Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
VINCENT
Yeah, but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
JULES
Hey, a sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie. But I'll never know 'cause I
Wouldn't eat the filthy motherfuckers. Pigs sleep and root in shit. That's
A filthy animal. I ain't need nothin' that ain't got sense enough to
Disregard its own feces.
VINCENT
How about a dog? Dog eats its own feces.
Bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste goood.
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11-29-2018, 10:20 AM #127
Also had a cholesterol scare 13 years ago and went full vegan for 3 years and that was a huge hassle. Gradually worked fish into my diet and I watched that food inc movie which really disturbed me how the animals are treated. Still no meat outside of fish for 13 years. I also buy certified humane when I can to eat eggs or cheese. This one small egg producer includes pics of the hens showing how good their life is. I am also acutely aware that I have leather furniture , down coats, belts etc which leads me to question my values as most of those things are vanity items. I figure that my existence is at the expense of other creatures one way or another so it is a matter of finding a line that I am ok with. BTW I have never had any fake meats that actually taste like meat until they came out with this Impossible burger that really tastes like a real burger. Twice the protein of a standard burger and far less fat. They have them at Fatburger and a few other restaurants.
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11-29-2018, 10:29 AM #128yelgatgab
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Good friend got Alpha-gal from a tick bite, and can't eat mammalian meats or byproducts.
I generally feel bad for him, and try to cook stuff he can eat when we get together, but it's also fun to refer to him as the alpha gal of the group.Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.
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11-29-2018, 10:47 AM #129
For all we know that could also be true of plants. They might be sentient but we just don't know how to communicate with them. Heck, it's all protein and energy and all involves killing sentient things. Even if the plants aren't the insect colonies which plants provide food and shelter for are. Just because you can look in to the eyes of a being and interact with empathy doesn't mean that being is superior or their life is more important than the life of other beings we haven't figured out how to do that with yet..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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11-29-2018, 11:17 AM #130
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11-29-2018, 11:38 AM #131Registered User
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Find me a biologist or zoologist who will agree with this statement.
Yes, there is lots we don't know. That there are different levels of cognition among living things is a pretty well-established scientific fact. That how organisms feel "pain" differs greatly depending on basic neulogical functions and anatomy.
Whether all that matters for an individual or not, who knows. That there are real ecological ramifications for eating meat in the style most American's do is not debateble.
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11-29-2018, 12:01 PM #132
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11-29-2018, 12:04 PM #133
Didn't take all that long to find one..
But you know what definitely can feel? Plants, at least according to biologist Daniel Chamovitz, dean of Life Sciences at Tel Aviv University in Israel, and author of the book What a Plant Knows.
Plants have memories. They store and recall information, but they won't go talk to their psychiatrist about it. The clearest example would be a venus flytrap. The way a venus flytrap closes is that it has these huge hairs—filaments—along its big open lobe. It looks like two leaves, but it's one leaf. And when a bug comes along and catches two of those hairs, it'll close. If it only touches one, it won't. It touches one, keeps crawling, touches the second. If it touches it within 20 seconds, it'll close. If it's within 20 seconds, it's a big bug, and it's worth the energy to close. If it's a longer time, maybe it's two little things, and it's not worth the energy to close. It only wants to eat something that's big.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/x...-feel-pain-302Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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11-29-2018, 12:15 PM #134
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11-29-2018, 12:18 PM #135
Speaking of cows, there are some 16 oz New York strips thawing out in my kitchen right now. Yum!
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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11-29-2018, 12:20 PM #136guy who skis
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Re allergic to meat, as mentioned above, it happens and is often connected to a tick-borne illness: https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-...meat-allergies
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11-29-2018, 12:22 PM #137
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11-29-2018, 12:29 PM #138Registered User
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As always, "can you be vegetarian" threads become "I need to justify to others my eating meat" thread.
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11-29-2018, 12:34 PM #139
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11-29-2018, 12:37 PM #140Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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11-29-2018, 12:42 PM #141
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11-29-2018, 12:48 PM #142
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11-29-2018, 12:53 PM #143
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11-29-2018, 12:54 PM #144
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11-29-2018, 01:10 PM #145
It's not semantics, it's understanding what food and cooking is, and not having fluffy feel good "rules" that are meaningless bullshit serving to justify lifestyle choices. e.g the problem isn't so much "corn syrup" it's US per capita sugar consumption has increased 8-fold since the mid 19th century.
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11-29-2018, 01:15 PM #146
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11-29-2018, 01:26 PM #147Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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11-29-2018, 01:27 PM #148www.dpsskis.com
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11-29-2018, 01:39 PM #149
I feeling all feisty today. Tell me your point explicitly. Here's mine: processed food is almost always less healthy than a whole food equivalent. While a loose term, I'll count on your ability to apply basic language and understanding - eg: whole food is more the product of nature vs. the product of industry. Think - if you are eating a banana, it should be recognizable as a banana vs. a fruit roll up filled with all sorts of other junk. IMHO, the best guidelines are loose and account for the fluid nature of what we decide to stick in our mouths: Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.
Corn syrup and how it is utilized in processed food is directly implicated in sugar consumption increase; it's daft to imply otherwise. Cheap. Tasty. Accessible. It plays a massive role in the over processing of food - which is why is practical to avoid processed food and eat real food if you are trying to make a health conscious choice.
When some says "Cooking" any reasonable person is referring to preparing real food in a kitchen like mom does, they don't mean -> wheat thins or fruit roll ups or cheetos. If you want to call it cooking in SJG pedantic terms, fucking have a blast but it's a dumb semantic argument.
Some of the non-sense here is unbelievable -> ingesting a bacteria is same as killing an animal and eating meat. Eating fruit is an abortion (even tho the seeds are meant to pass and still potentially yeild?WTF). Jumping on the definition of processed foods to try to make me wiggle general cooking into that definition. Plants feel in the same way animals do and are sentient.
Some of the gymnastics people go thru trying to draw a moral or health equivalent to justify their choice is amazing. Who the fuck cares? The most respectable takes here are these: "I eat meat or veg or junk food or whatever. I like it and none of this other shit matters to me." It's so refreshing; stop looking for the gotcha.
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11-29-2018, 01:40 PM #150
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