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  1. #1
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    Why your SUV sucks in the mountains

    Just get a Toyota Corolla with decent winter tires.


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    Well, yes .

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    yeah but he is british and they can't drive

    it hardly ever snows in my town

    I can't afford snow tires so I don't need snow tires

    pick one of the above ^^
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    All that shows is good winter tires are important, which anyone who drives in snow already knows...

    It'd be interesting to repeat the test with them both using the same tires to see how much 4WD really buys you.
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    actualy it quantitatively shows by how much 2wd and winter tires trump 4x4 with summer tires

    but how many threads are there where buddy will chime in that he does fine without snowtires ?

    I drove a lot of highway up here in a 4 door Toyota 4-runer for 3-4 years and even with good studded snows the high cg/ short WB woudl scare the hell outa me probably 6 times a season whereas a VW golf with 4 studded Haks was way less scary
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    I read on the internet 4x4s are invincible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvian View Post
    Just get a Toyota Corolla with decent winter tires.
    "In the mountains"

    Good luck elk hunting in a Corolla!

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    Here's the best way to insure you have traction...

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    Well duh... Everyone knows "Tires">"Tyres"......
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    last week even with studded snows the brewery guy was stuck shleping 3 kegs of beer up to the ski hill in his mini-van so buddy transferred all 3 kegs to the front seat and made it
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    last week even with studded snows the brewery guy was stuck shleping 3 kegs of beer up to the ski hill in his mini-van so buddy transferred all 3 kegs to the front seat and made it
    I've driven more than a couple fwd cars up hills/driveways in reverse to get the engine weight over the front tires/tyres.

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    What about tires with macho tread but all-season rubber? Doing the snows + steel wheels vs. new M+S now. M+S were fine on my AWD wagon last year but it's time to replace them.

    Specifically thinking about Yokohama Geolandars right now, if anyone has opinions on those.
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    4WD with all-season tyres (tires?) = 4 wheels spinning. Don't even consider stopping or turning which is generally important.

    Winter rubber compound makes a huge difference, even on roads that are just wet when it's below 40*F. It's the price of doing business in places where it snows with some regularity.

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    From the sleeping in parking lots thread

    Where’s pano-dude?

    Quote Originally Posted by acinpdx View Post
    Snow tires make a big difference. I’d rather be 2wd with snows/studs than 4wd with all-seasons
    (assuming a scraped road surface like we get here)
    Quote Originally Posted by pano-dude View Post
    I'm guessing you haven't owned a 4x4 because this is a ridiculous statement.
    I can't count the number of times I have driven around 2wheel drive pickups after a big snow fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    I've driven more than a couple fwd cars up hills/driveways in reverse to get the engine weight over the front tires/tyres.

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    yeah I had to back around the last switchback to get skiing up the hill cuz the Haks were pretty worn so I got new studded Hak 7's the next season


    So remember that good snow tires are life saving devices

    just like that other life saving rubber device


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    Nokian rules! [in] World Cup freebies!


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    I’ve got geolanders on the sienna awd minivan.

    We run snows on steel wheels or we’d never get home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel View Post
    Nokian rules! [in] World Cup freebies!


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    Those are sweet. Got Hakka 8 on wife’s MDX and it’s a tank. My subie with Hakka 7 is skipow
    I need to go to Utah.
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    So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....


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    4wheel drive doesn't equal 4 wheel stop.
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    I think the same issues for SUVs that my 73' Corolla faced up in Maine back in the day, offroad that is.....pretty sketchy clearance combined with little room in the wheelwells for an aggressive tire.

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    Why your SUV sucks in the mountains

    I watched a brodozer yesterday on some 30-some inch tires spinning in 4 on a slight incline of glossy packed snow. It was a little sad to see the tricked out “off-road” setup utterly useless on an otherwise developed road.

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    And that folks is why I-70 is a complete shit show. Only those summer tires are often on 2wd cars. I’d be happy if everyone out here had at least decent all weathers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wicked_sick View Post
    4wheel drive doesn't equal 4 wheel stop.
    No shit. That’s what the fuckin studded snow tires are for.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by auvgeek View Post
    All that shows is good winter tires are important, which anyone who drives in snow already knows...
    I would refute that. Growing up in New England, it's extremely common for people to have driven with dedicated winter tires. I think it's totally insane.


    Among the 84 percent of snowbelt drivers who will prepare their car for winter weather, only a quarter (25 percent) plan to equip or already have equipped their vehicle with winter tires this season.

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300001625.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dromond View Post
    Among the 84 percent of snowbelt drivers who will prepare their car for winter weather, only a quarter (25 percent) plan to equip or already have equipped their vehicle with winter tires this season.
    Okay, guess that attitude is more prevalent than I ever imagined. I thought anyone who drives a fair amount in the snow would know tires beat 4WD any day of the week, and also that 4WD doesn't help at all with deceleration, which is the cause of most accidents.

    Honestly thought this thread was gonna be about the high COG of SUVs, which is a well-known issue. Subarus have their downsides, but it's nice to have a low COG and as much clearance as your average SUV.
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