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Thread: Shift vs Tectons
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11-16-2018, 01:00 PM #26
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11-16-2018, 01:59 PM #27Registered User
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11-16-2018, 02:15 PM #28Registered User
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Thanks for the responses everyone. They all really help out with the decision making. Again, I'm not a hardcharging rider by any means and only go at 135 lbs so the Tectons seem like they'd okay for my circumstances.
Thanks for responding. Did you find any issues with the toe tab when switching from DH to touring and vice versa. Any snow or ice buildup issues with it and was it necessary to have to take off your gloves? Also, did having only the one riser hinder anything at all for the way up?Last edited by Havn; 11-16-2018 at 06:44 PM.
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11-16-2018, 06:21 PM #29
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11-16-2018, 07:17 PM #30
Having seen someone shear the pin off of a Kingpin while skinning in the middle of nowhere, I'd be hard pressed to consider that binding. The guy finished out the week on loaner skis with Vipecs - no issues.
Ask yourself why you want hybrid bindings. If the answer is to save money, I'd recommend at least considering two sets of skis. Alpine bindings and dedicated touring bindings can be had for significantly less money than new-hotness hybrid bindings. And, in most circumstances they will perform better at their intended use and likely last longer than hybrids - especially when it comes to lift skiing. I think that two less expensive, dedicated setups can offer better performance and longer durability at a similar cost. That allows you to get lighter touring skis as well.
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11-16-2018, 07:38 PM #31Rod9301
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How true.
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11-16-2018, 09:09 PM #32Registered User
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Switching really isn’t an issue, I did it with mittens on. The songle riser however has been annoying, a lot of the time its eithef too high or too low. I have a functioning modification that just adds a taller bail, but this doesn’t help most of the time when people are setting around 7 degree skin tracks, whoch is the middle step for most touring bindings, the 10 degrees on the shift seems to be wrong a lot of the time unless setting trail.
Also sorry for all my misspelling I just re read all my old posts, but im using my phone and have fat thumbs.
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11-16-2018, 11:00 PM #33
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11-17-2018, 08:32 AM #34
Strong post.
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11-17-2018, 08:44 AM #35Registered User
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I’ll admit that this can’t be quantified, but I went with the Shifts for my powder touring setup (to be used almost 100% in the BC) for safety purposes. I worry about tib/fib spiral fractures when deep Tahoe snow is involved, and although Tectons are likely better at preventing that than other pin bindings, the Shift has significantly more toe elasticity. I otherwise would have gone Tecton for weight, multiple risers, and likely no real loss of performance in powder.
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11-17-2018, 10:17 AM #36
I think even the vipec / dyna FTs / G3 ions in are in a weird place now. And I own FTs. For volcanoes I now want superlites. For shorter tours I want tecton/shift. Polarized market.
I second the two dedicated setups. But It's more expensive any way you slice it. It's a convenient argument to say is less $ than the new fancy hybrids but it's not true.
Used prices:
Skis: 2 sets: $350x2=700
Bindings: 2 sets: 150 (alpine)+250 (used radicals/ions/vipec)=400
Boots: 2sets: 300x2 = 600.
$1700
Skis: 1set: 350
Bindings,(hybrid): 350 (used tecton)
Boots: 300
$1000
Still, buy used mount your own skis build a quiver
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11-17-2018, 10:45 AM #37Registered User
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i agree, except for the Vipec part. I still think there is a place for these, at least in my quiver. It is the lightest binding on the market with frontal elasticity, if not exactly svelte. From them there is a bit of a gap i believe, to lighter weight bindings such as ATKs, MTNs and other lighter bindings.
i am sure Ions, Radicals and so on ski just fine, but with zero elasticity up front I have a hard time justifying either going with Vipecs for safety or going significantly lighter. I will probably at some point cave and go with light weight (sub 350) bindings on a pair of long haul skis, but for now I am very happy with brakeless Vipecs for that use - 440gr evo /520gr black pr ski isn't that bad for the performance you get out of them. They are light enough, and ski and tour awesomely.
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11-17-2018, 11:18 AM #38
This is a silly thread, too early for reliable data on the shift. Did I buy a pair? Yes. Plan to use as my travel do-it-all with two sets of skis that have inserts. If you want solid binders that have been tested by the masses I’d say go tectons. Especially if you are the type that buys one pair of skis every four to five years. Most of the guys on this thread buy two to three pairs of skis yearly and don’t mind throwing shifts on one pair.
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11-17-2018, 11:21 AM #39
I'm kind of in agreement but not exactly. Frankly I think the heel downpressure is arguably more important to my skiing experience than toe elasticity. Having said that, Tecton provides it at a weight advantage over Kingpin and isn't notorious for detonating pins.
For me, the weight gain of vipec vs tecton makes it inherently unappealing. YMMV. To lose the heel downpressure, I would need to be looking at a super dedicated long distance traverse setup where skiing performance is way down the priority list. I thought about it for pow only as there is little torsion on the heel but on hardpack the feeling of vague tails from trad pintech leaves me solidly underwhelmed. I tour to ski, even in shitfuck conditions. I mean really, tecton is less than 100gr weight penalty per foot versus my old rad1 setup! That's an incredible amount of extra performance for <100gr.
Even for an UL setup, unless you go all the way to the extreme, I could probably take a shit big enough to compensate the difference if I drank an extra cup of coffee before my morning movement.
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11-17-2018, 11:57 AM #40Registered User
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Isn't that what these pre-season threads are for? Passing the time will debating stuff with differing degree of data?
Nickel:
yeah, I do not disagree - it is all a matter of perspective and whether one looks up for maximum performance at a lowest possible weight or down for minimal weight given that safety and elasticity is taken care of - and respective market segment comparisons. You argue up, i argue down - so kinda flip sides of the same argument, kinda.
Owning a pair of Vipec Blacks I will hang on to them and had planned to use them on a pair of skis I tried to buy for long haul use, but where things fell through, so now they will go on my rock skis instead.
My new 99mm touring specific skis will get Tectons for the exact reasons you put forth in your reply. The skis will be plenty light, yet pack a serious punch for all but the deepest of conditions. To be used with Hawx XTD130s, so going full light weight in the binding&ski-departments would just mean overpowering either or both, or skiing conservatively - neither of which is any good.
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11-17-2018, 02:12 PM #41
So the answer isn’t to save money. It is to have something that is lighter than a frame binding for longer tours but still burly enough to hit cliffs and natural airs. That’s where I see the sweet spot for these bindings. I’ve never thought of them as being all purpose in terms of transitioning from resort days to the backcountry. If that’s the route people are going then I agree with your post. But not for my intended use.
go upside down.
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11-17-2018, 02:28 PM #42Rod9301
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You can go light weight bindings, like the Salomon mtn, and you will be fine on any ski. Not true that light bindings, at least this one will be overpowered by anything.
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11-17-2018, 03:53 PM #43
Shift vs Tectons
Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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11-17-2018, 03:57 PM #44
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11-17-2018, 04:11 PM #45Registered User
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Taking everything into consideration, I decided to go with the Tecton 90mm. The decision was based on a multitude of reasons. In terms being run as a daily driver for resort duty the majority of the time, I think being only 135 lbs and not being a hardcharger will mitigate some of the durability and safety (i.e., resort riding on tech toes) concerns surrounding it. So while it might not be as burly or "safe" as the Shift in terms of the downhill side of things, I think it'll be good enough for me. Combine this with it seeming to be the better tourer as well, as it's lighter and has more riser settings, it overtakes the Shift in overall package in terms of weight vs performance based on my personal circumstances. Seems like the only down side compared to the Shift is its more limited range of motion (at least the current/older versions) and the potential boot toe indentation issue. Maybe icing up too, but not sure yet I guess.
However, at the end of the day, what sealed the deal for me was finding a new pair of the 17s 90mm for $400. Lastly, I'm currently able to borrow a friend's set of downhill skis for now though not sure for how long. I understand that having two dedicated skis in my quiver would be the most ideal, but being a mountain biker as well, I am trying to avoid the n+1 mentality
Appreciate all the responses and thanks again.
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11-17-2018, 04:35 PM #46
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11-17-2018, 07:01 PM #47
And i get that. I'm still not willing to sacrifice ski performance on a setup that's meant for skiing. if the primary purpose was very long distance traverses that would be a different story. I mostly tour to go skiing so my willingness to sacrifice ski performance for weight is no doubt different to others. It's important but not the be all end all.
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11-17-2018, 07:03 PM #48Registered User
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Any particular store selling them for 400? Or private sale? I want to grab a pair
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11-17-2018, 07:26 PM #49Registered User
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