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  1. #26
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    Put me in the "it's fine and only results in occasional minor annoyance" camp.

    If your skins are too narrow, I've seen some people cut a slit down the middle so the skin can be spread wall to wall (leaving a gap in the middle where it probably matters less).

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    ...I'm so over the 5 point design and heavily rockered skis in general
    I can't speak to 5 point shapes, but I've had a pair of Surface New Lifes, crazy rocker and all, as my main inbounds skis way longer than I expected. They're just so damn fun to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burrito View Post
    I can't speak to 5 point shapes, but I've had a pair of Surface New Lifes, crazy rocker and all, as my main inbounds skis way longer than I expected. They're just so damn fun to ride.
    they look so ridiculous but everyone I know who has a pair says this. I’m super curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mall walker View Post
    they look so ridiculous but everyone I know who has a pair says this. I’m super curious.
    My experience has been that the crazy Surface rocker forces you to immediately learn to slarve efficiently (though since mine are stiffer than the average pow ski I can still lay down an edge when you need to on anything other than boiler.) For me learning to slarve meant learning to ride with much lighter feet, and I gained a ton of playfulness in the process. The rocker profile was definitely the catalyst for that.

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    Sorry, I am new here.

    When did "slarve" become a word?
    "Its not the arrow, its the Indian" - M.Pinto

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcrawfo View Post
    Sorry, I am new here.

    When did "slarve" become a word?
    Really?

    Mid-late 00s. Maybe earlier.

    It's basically a McConkey turn.
    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    the situation strikes me as WAY too much drama at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcrawfo View Post
    Sorry, I am new here.

    When did "slarve" become a word?
    lol bro DPS has been at it for years https://www.google.com/search?q=site...kis.com+slarve

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    Quote Originally Posted by reckless toboggan View Post
    Really?

    Mid-late 00s. Maybe earlier.

    It's basically a McConkey turn.
    Dam kids. Get off my lawn !
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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    Could you elaborate a bit on why? Good to hear differing opinions
    well I found I preferred skis with a bigger turning radius so for pow more early rise flatter tail of the lotus 120

    I had the JJ and the DPS wailer 112 which are really quite similar, I find the 5 point are fine in a new pow dump of course lots of skis would be fine in 6 or 10 inches of new but IME a twin tip NEEDS new snow to soften up the ride and allow large turns anywhere becuz with both the ends turned up I would compare the ride to a mtnbike where the suspension is already most of the way thru its travel

    Another negative is on firmer piste a TT doesnt have much of a usable edge, for a 185 there is < 110 mm on piste.

    Also the turn radius is well under 20M which isnt great for a skier who likes bigger turns so I sold the wailers cuz i could get mo money and I use the JJ's to chase rocks
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcrawfo View Post
    Sorry, I am new here.

    When did "slarve" become a word?
    IME the pintailed 120 slarves way easier than a 5 point so I can thro a pintail or at least that pintail completley side ways at any time




    I bet you got yer pants pulled up to yer tits don't ya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post

    I bet you got yer pants pulled up to yer tits don't ya?
    The correct term is “ Moobs”. Tits are on chicks.

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    i think when they are big enough they are tits whoever is wearing them
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    i think when they are big enough they are tits whoever is wearing them
    In this case, i think the technical term is "bitchtits"

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    Quote Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat View Post
    Ditto. Great ski on the decent. Kick turns are easy. Holds grip just fine with G3 skins.
    weakest link is when the skin track is to narrow
    most underrated rockerrocker ski in ski history
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    Since I'm a low-budget skier, I spend the entirety of last season touring on a pair of Dynafit Hokkaidos (including days when we hadn't seen new snow in over a week). Not quite as heavily rockered as some of the other skis mentioned here, but I can echo what others have said. Breaks trail easily, and as long as the skin track isn't icy I didn't have any problems. Sidehilling can be difficult since your effective edge is pretty short in that instance, but if you stomp into it a bit you should be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mall walker View Post
    It will definitely accentuate the already suboptimal performance you'll get out of the setup when sidehilling. I have not-quite-W2W skins on a number of pairs of skis and I've lived. W2W is ideal though imo. I've gone with a 13mm gap on 102mm underfoot skis and it sucked enough I got new skins for them. You're looking at 16mm on 124mm.

    Worst case pick up some cheap used skins here?
    I realize it's like weakening the weakest point. On the other hand 89mm skins on 102 underfoot is not the same as 108 wide skins on 124. W2W is obviously ideal. Well, I guess I'll have to stick to Bibbys in this trip as I can only take 1 pair for this trip, don't want to risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACH View Post
    In this case, i think the technical term is "bitchtits"
    Thats just for roiders.

    Man boobs it is for those who are disgustingly out of shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveLarger View Post
    Thats just for roiders.

    Man boobs it is for those who are disgustingly out of shape.
    Ah, the nuance of manmaries...

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