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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    Why does everyone want lighter skis? I say make them heavier.
    Easier to load on your Yakima racks and carry to the lift.

  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    Why does everyone want lighter skis? I say make them heavier.
    That is exactly why I did my new Lhasa with the heavy cores.
    Quote Originally Posted by Undertow View Post
    I could not agree more... No way do I want a light/lighter ski for the resort... Backcountry touring I get it, but small side country no thanks...
    Yup.
    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    Easier to load on your Yakima racks and carry to the lift.
    Do you even lift, bro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Do you even lift, bro?
    Just supergoats.

  4. #54
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    I hope it snows enough this year for me to remount some binders on my OG BG's, or for me to start doing some traveling.

    I've hit some massive rocks and sticks with those, nothing more than a minor scratch. Originally mounted them with frame bindings, and at the time was in some too large weak flex touring boots.

    Ditched that whole idea and went skinnier without the need for so much float here. But looking forward to driving them with alpine alpine boots and binders on a deep day for some fun turns.

  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    Why does everyone want lighter skis? I say make them heavier.
    Quote Originally Posted by Undertow View Post
    I could not agree more... No way do I want a light/lighter ski for the resort... Backcountry touring I get it, but small side country no thanks...
    ah, so we are on the same page for the most part - all three - as the premise of the question is for touring, not exclusive resort riding where weight is not an issue. Aka going downhill / ski characteristics is still the overarching focus here, if not one would not go touring on ON3Ps in the first place.

    That being said, if excess epoxy adds weight, and less means that other fun things can be put inside the skis like titanal or more glass while still keeping the weight competitive, then why not max out on the weight spending where it gives the most bang for buck? Besides, I've always loved die cut bases as well, so thought i should ask. Now that Iggy has explained that weights between skis for the most part is pretty consistent, the aforementioned epoxy fluctuations becomes less of an actual and more of an imaginary issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by klauss View Post
    ^Have you tried frame bindings
    snicker
    Last edited by kid-kapow; 11-09-2018 at 01:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    I’ll make it easy for you.

    If you want a ski solely for powder days get a Protest or C&D.

    If you want a ski for powder days plus a day or two after, get a Billy goat, GPO, Quixote, or Wildcat (Bibby)

    Just buy whichever ski you can get a good deal on in your size.


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    Got to collect them all, own them all

    Only one I still need is the Bibby

  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    ah, so we are on the same page for the most part - all three - as the premise of the question is for touring, not exclusive resort riding where weight is not an issue. Aka going downhill / ski characteristics is still the overarching focus here, if not one would not go touring on ON3Ps in the first place.

    That being said, if excess epoxy adds weight, and less means that other fun things can be put inside the skis like titanal or more glass while still keeping the weight competitive, then why not max out on the weight spending where it gives the most bang for buck? Besides, I've always loved die cut bases as well, so thought i should ask. Now that Iggy has explained that weights between skis for the most part is pretty consistent, the aforementioned epoxy fluctuations becomes less of an actual and more of an imaginary issue.



    snicker

    Am I wrong in thinking epoxy also makes a ski damper? I’m pretty sure Stockli has som patented epoxy they use in their skis which is part of why they used to be so solid.

    Iggy?

  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    Why does everyone want lighter skis? I say make them heavier.
    There's a happy balancing point. Heavier skis wear your legs out faster, even in the resort. Too light can also wear your legs out since they put more of the work on you when you're skiing chop. Having said that, I don't think ON3P's are too heavy... except maybe the C&D's from a few years back (which are now lighter).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    There's a happy balancing point. Heavier skis wear your legs out faster, even in the resort. Too light can also wear your legs out since they put more of the work on you when you're skiing chop. Having said that, I don't think ON3P's are too heavy... except maybe the C&D's from a few years back (which are now lighter).
    Yup, the law of diminishing returns starts to kick in, on either end of the spectrum.
    That said, my BG 191's are the heaviest thing in my quiver and that is actually saying something considering I have a pair of 190 Explosiv's with some LAB 916's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acinpdx View Post
    “Praxis Rx”
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