NE Roll Call 18/19

[Benny Profane]

Oh, shit man, you hate the tourists out there more than anybody. c'mon.

[t-the-east]

There's a reason that a ton of resort employees in Vermont are not from this country, which is so strange and sad. The bosses think that someone from outside our borders is a more reliable employee than a local kid with a shitty attitude.

You really have no clue.

School me.

I think you answered your own question.

Ok, I’ll play.... I think one of the biggest reasons, at least here in the adks, for hiring J1’s or H2B’s or whatever the hell the visa/passport thing is, is because nobody wants to fucking work. The foreign workers show up, keep their head down, and just do their job.
The local kids/young adults either show up with a shitty attitude ( as was said before ), show up hungover, or just don’t show up at all, or try to leave work early with any excuse they can come up with. We deal with it every year with our landscaping business. The majority of kids these days only want to work just enough to get by. Yes, there are a few exceptions and some great, hardworking people out there.
I’m sure for most of these “resorts” it would be way easier to hire local kids instead of having people shipped in, housing them, dealing with a language barrier, etc..

Funny how some random tourism debate transforms...

[fastfred]

Oh, shit man, you hate the tourists out there more than anybody. c'mon.

they try my patience at times benny, yes
but let me use a big word: symbiotic relationship
I thought I could goto the grocery store at 830 am today and get my chores done, sure as shit the place was wall to wall tourons at 8 in the morning?!!

I get irritated when you make observations from the outside as to how things are in VT or CO or anywhere
most of the time you are so off base it's silly

[Benny Profane]

they try my patience at times benny, yes
but let me use a big word: symbiotic relationship

That's my whole point. Scorpion and frog stuff.

BTW, Happy Holidays! Must be a total shitshow in Breck. But, yeah, what do I know.

[Goniff]

Didn't look pretty but Jiminy did a nice job grooming up the ice to provide edgeable sugar this morning. The bean counters wont be happy with the turnout, however.

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[Bottleman]

Skiing is serious bidness.

[ex-powderbroker]

just escorted some tourists to the local boutique.

[Peruvian]

Ok, I’ll play.... I think one of the biggest reasons, at least here in the adks, for hiring J1’s or H2B’s or whatever the hell the visa/passport thing is, is because nobody wants to fucking work. The foreign workers show up, keep their head down, and just do their job.
The local kids/young adults either show up with a shitty attitude ( as was said before ), show up hungover, or just don’t show up at all, or try to leave work early with any excuse they can come up with. We deal with it every year with our landscaping business. The majority of kids these days only want to work just enough to get by. Yes, there are a few exceptions and some great, hardworking people out there.
I’m sure for most of these “resorts” it would be way easier to hire local kids instead of having people shipped in, housing them, dealing with a language barrier, etc..

Funny how some random tourism debate transforms...

There are less than 700 domestic students in the local high school. That school serves 14 towns so it’s a large region. Even if everyone of them worked at Stratton every weekend and holiday, the resort would still need to hire H2B staff. Now it’s obvious that every one of those kids can’t work at Stratton, I mean some work at the two other mountain in the area, plenty work at the hotels, restaurants, and shops as well.

And yes, some just don’t work. Not every school aged kid wants to spend their 2 weeks off at Christmas changing bedsheets.

But, nah - the only answer is that local kids are lazy and high on smack.

[Peruvian]

Didn't look pretty but Jiminy did a nice job grooming up the ice to provide edgeable sugar this morning. The bean counters wont be happy with the turnout, however.

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Bromley skied surprisingly well too. There was a short window that actually was quite good, just before it got scraped off.

Magic is closed for the next two days. I look forward to the effort that DoWork and his team put into it for post Xmas skiing.

[Bottleman]

There are less than 700 domestic students in the local high school. That school serves 14 towns so it’s a large region. Even if everyone of them worked at Stratton every weekend and holiday, the resort would still need to hire H2B staff. Now it’s obvious that every one of those kids can’t work at Stratton, I mean some work at the two other mountain in the area, plenty work at the hotels, restaurants, and shops as well.

And yes, some just don’t work. Not every school aged kid wants to spend their 2 weeks off at Christmas changing bedsheets.

But, nah - the only answer is that local kids are lazy and high on smack.

STOP WITH THE FACTS!!!!!

[Boreas]

There are less than 700 domestic students in the local high school. That school serves 14 towns so it’s a large region. Even if everyone of them worked at Stratton every weekend and holiday, the resort would still need to hire H2B staff. Now it’s obvious that every one of those kids can’t work at Stratton, I mean some work at the two other mountain in the area, plenty work at the hotels, restaurants, and shops as well.

And yes, some just don’t work. Not every school aged kid wants to spend their 2 weeks off at Christmas changing bedsheets.

But, nah - the only answer is that local kids are lazy and high on smack.

And a 1/4-1/3rd of the the student body under VT state laws cannot work over 18hours a week. The rest over 16 could, but I’m not really sure how a ski area could employ 17yos 40hrs a week when they are probably in classes until 3. Then compound this with kids that are in school sponsored sports. Then add in roughly 60% of high school graduates attending college in some capacity and the labor pool is pretty small for full time winter employment in a rural area.

Edit to add: add in the kids that help mom and dad milk cows, shovel snow, pick up their siblings, etc. totally equals lazy youth.

[ex-powderbroker]

everyone go look at the moon right now

[Peruvian]

And a 1/4-1/3rd of the the student body under VT state laws cannot work over 18hours a week. The rest over 16 could, but I’m not really sure how a ski area could employ 17yos 40hrs a week when they are probably in classes until 3. Then compound this with kids that are in school sponsored sports. Then add in roughly 60% of high school graduates attending college in some capacity and the labor pool is pretty small for full time winter employment in a rural area.

Edit to add: add in the kids that help mom and dad milk cows, shovel snow, pick up their siblings, etc.

STOP WITH THE FACTS!!!!!

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[jackstraw]

everyone go look at the moon right now

[Brownski]

everyone go look at the moon right now

That is a seriously bright moon

[Laps]

[QUOTE=Thinking about heading there for a skin lap or two up W to burn off bday beers and cake from yesterday just for the up, worth the drive or should I just go to the gym?[/QUOTE]

It was better on Wildness today. Not as many wide open water bars. Hope you got out, and Happy birthday!

The bc is still ok...some surprisingly good skiing.


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[FussyDutchman]

It was better on Wildness today. Not as many wide open water bars. Hope you got out, and Happy birthday!

The bc is still ok...some surprisingly good skiing.


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Thanks, I didn't make it this morning but am planning to tomorrow and might head up the nordic trails to HH based on your beta.

[m2711c]

School me.

They pay the foreigners less... it’s that simple.


When I was working at Sugarbush, only 60% of the people who were hired for the program actually showed up at Sugarbush. They all showed up at the airport at JFK, but 40% of them just disappeared before the got to vt. Of the ones that did get here, they had a work permit to work anywhere. Not just at the ski area. So when they came up to the mad River Valley, they did not just displace higher paid local workers from their jobs at Sugarbush, they also went down to town and took up all the other jobs for bartending, waitering, bus boy, cashier at the Frickn Mehuron’s market and every other goddamn fucking place in town that could pay them less than they would pay in a regular American person. And guess what, after a while, there were no regular American persons left to give jobs to.


When Sugarbush will not pay enough for their employees to afford to live in the valley, the valley will soon not have any employees left for sugarbush to hire. When I was there, we were never able to hire all of the people that we needed for the snowmaking department. We were always way short of hiring the number of folks that we were budgeted for. And half of those meat Popsicles left after the first week.

[2ski2fish4ever]

just another day of real Vt style skiing at the Bush today.

[Benny Profane]

They pay the foreigners less... it’s that simple.

No, hardly, not so simple. I really really doubt that the paycheck is what separated locals from feriners. Can't be THAT different. I mean, lifties were paid a lot more than minimum before? No, au contraire, I'll bet it's MORE expensive. Import grateful employees, arrange housing, maybe food or cheap food , make their lives tolerable, no more druggies and schoolboy Marxists, if they even read. Capitalism in the 21st century.

[Vt-Freeheel]

bush Lulz

Conditions on the trails were firm and fast. Patrol dropped ropes on some of our natural terrain, allowing powder hounds to flush out the leftover stashes from yesterday.

Snow Totals
SUMMIT MID-MTN BASE
24 HOUR 0" 0" 0"
48 HOUR 1" 1" 1"
72 HOUR 0" 0" 0"
SEASON TOTAL 84"

[train07]

everyone go look at the moon right now

good heads up....just checked... all at the four corners as gorgeous as can be..
posting as train to make VTF happy

[m2711c]

No, hardly, not so simple. I really really doubt that the paycheck is what separated locals from feriners. Can't be THAT different. I mean, lifties were paid a lot more than minimum before? No, au contraire, I'll bet it's MORE expensive. Import grateful employees, arrange housing, maybe food or cheap food , make their lives tolerable, no more druggies and schoolboy Marxists, if they even read. Capitalism in the 21st century.

nope, liftes make minimum.

It really is that different. You forget to factor in the exchange rate. Right now, one dollar equals 37 Argentinian pesos. Those fuckers can work for three or four months up here and make more than they would in the entire year down there.


They were more than happy to suck up minmum wage to stand on the top of the mountain in the middle the night and let me turn the hose on them in freezing temperatures. At that same time McDonald’s was paying $11.50 an hour to flip burgers and drop fries in Burlington. So, where do you think the American kids were working?

And remember, I’m talking about working. Not ski bumming it. When I first started working at Sugarbush in the late 80s early 90s the worst thing you could do to a guy was take his pass away. Late in the morning? Lose your pass for two days. Those guys were never late again. By the time that I left the last time in the late 90s early 2000’s. Only two people in the department even picked up their passes for the year. These guys weren’t there to ski. They were there to work. And we could not provide the pay that they can get that other places.

[Benny Profane]

Well, fine. Hire people who want to work. Not show up late, stoned, hungover, scowling at the Lexus crowd, just bad shit. Duh.

[m2711c]

You wanna hire the people that want to work? Intelligent folks, that take pride in their job? Folks that are generally happy and in a good mood? Then you need to pay a living wage. If you don’t, you get the knuckleheads. It really is that simple.