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10-15-2018, 09:32 AM #1
Ultralight bindings: Independent heel Pins vs U Springs (Alpinist vs Haute Route)
So I'm debating the Marker Alpinist 9/12 vs a pricier ATK Haute Route 2
The ATK is slightly lighter and has independent heel pins (so the RV is full adjustable).
The Alpinist is heavier and significantly cheaper while having a U spring on the back which Marker says comes in either DIN 8 (on the Alpinist 9, although reviews have said anywhere from 7.5-9) or RV 11 (on the Alpinist 12 but reviews have said anywhere from 10-12).
I read the Blister Review on these two bindings (they were reviewing the Raider 2.0 which is basically a HR 2.0 without brakes I think). Supposed the U-Spring pins wear out changing the RV (lowering it?) over time. Supposedly the Marker has 4mm of spring loaded elastic travel which makes it a teeny bit damper and more reliable RV under dynamic loading. It is a bit frustrating because I'd like a RV of 9-10, but I hate to pay the ATK price.
Do U springs also damage boots? Does the RV drop with time as the U spring wears?Originally Posted by blurred
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10-15-2018, 09:36 AM #2
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10-15-2018, 10:08 AM #3Rod9301
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Hey the u spring ones, lighter and simpler
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10-15-2018, 10:30 AM #4Registered User
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if you want to geek out, there is a blister gear podcast where they interview guys from G3 who speak to your questions and also talk about the Zed binding. if i remember correctly their consensus is yes to your questions, hence why they went with independent heel pins. or at least part of the reason. people can correct me if i'm wrong.
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10-15-2018, 10:35 AM #5Registered User
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The fixed release tension and inability to set different values for horiziontal/vertical means I won't be using this style of bindings unless I take up Rando racing
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10-15-2018, 10:54 AM #7Registered User
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so how do I crank in 1 more din like setting vertically than horizontally ?
if I can't do that I have to slow down or I get pre-releaseLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-15-2018, 11:00 AM #8
Ultralight bindings: Independent heel Pins vs U Springs (Alpinist vs Haute Route)
I’m pretty sure my Dynafit Vert ST’s have a U shape and my ATK Raider 12’s have the 2 pins. As Steve said the U shape doesn’t hurt the boots in any way.
The main difference that Mrs. Plug and I felt right off with the ATK’s is the lack of play and the accompanying ticking sound from the heel that we get from the Dynafits. The pins with the spring between stay in contact with the pocket on the heel of the boot and give a more alpine binding feel.
I wish BD or another distributor would carry the whole ATK line in the US in case we need parts or something. That said, the ATK’s haven’t needed a thing after 2 full seasons.Well maybe I'm the faggot America
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10-15-2018, 11:17 AM #9
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10-15-2018, 11:24 AM #10
Oh yeah. Well then, the fitting of the pins on the ATK is somehow more fitting.
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10-15-2018, 11:25 AM #11
Lateral release (toe on an alpine binding) is fully adjustable on a lot of the U spring bindings. It is just forward lean (heel on alpine bindings) that is fixed by the U spring which is often interchangable.
BD is offering some of the ATK line this year under their own branding.Originally Posted by blurred
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10-15-2018, 11:29 AM #12
Hi. @Summit,
I'm trying hard not to be a Marker hater, but seriously, why would a first year Marker binding be on your short list?
... ThomGalibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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10-15-2018, 11:38 AM #13Registered User
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10-15-2018, 11:47 AM #14
@galibier_numero_un @doebedoe
Marker does have the rather successful Kingpin going on, so not their first foray. The Alpinist seems pretty simple. I liked the flush back and slight elastic travel that the Blister review said skied a little better (less harsh) than the other Ultralights, even the ATK. And the price point is right.
I remember my old Dyna Comforts... and their harshness and vagueness. I figure the Solly/Atomic would be about the same and its heavier than the Marker... almost twice the weight of the ATK HR 2.0. In fact they are within 110g ea of Vipecs without brakes, and then why not just ski Vipecs which ski waaaay better and are safer. Or the Zeds for the same weight as the Solly/Atomic?Last edited by Summit; 10-15-2018 at 03:31 PM.
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10-15-2018, 11:47 AM #15Registered User
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What does alpine anything have to do with talking about how AT bindings release ?
I thot we were talking about the release values on AT bindings and how with the U springs they leave out the abilty to adj the binding to your skiing, I know I was cuz I would rather adj the binding to my skiing instead of my skiing to the bindingLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-15-2018, 12:25 PM #16Rod9301
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You are adjusting the binding with the three different springs.
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10-15-2018, 12:34 PM #17
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10-15-2018, 12:40 PM #18Registered User
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I know that ^^ but how do I independantly adjust lateral & vertical release on u-spring bindings?
on my verts and rads ( I think comforts were the same?) instead of replacing a spring I just turn that big aluminium screw on the back of the binding using a quarter to my lateral release value which is 7 and verticaly I turn that little screw on the back of the binding to 8 which keeps me from pre-releasing
can I even get a 7 u-spring and how do I adj for vertical release of 8 if it is at all possible ?Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-15-2018, 12:45 PM #19Registered User
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yeah the Kingpin has a recall going, a local bro had 5 failures, i got some other buddies who had 5 breakdowns in 1 weekend its at the point the local shop just fixes the stuff no questions asked without bothering to contact Marker like they did early on
And then the shop guy 400kms east sez they only had 1 failure
nobody can come up with a failure patternLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-15-2018, 12:52 PM #20
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10-15-2018, 01:04 PM #23Registered User
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ok so they are fixing vertical release and adjust lateral
"Lateral release value setting from 6-12 in heel. Vertical release value is fixed to roughly 10."
from ^^ an MEC addLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-15-2018, 01:05 PM #24Registered User
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10-15-2018, 01:11 PM #25
That was a good podcast.
Go to 41:00 here for the details:
http://blistergearreview.com/feature...the-new-g3-zed
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