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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    Yeah. I hate white hippy stinky pot smoking influencers.
    Lock them up. Jfc. What Cracker Jack box did you get your diploma from?
    a place that emphasized there are trade offs? If you want something as innocuous as Shanghai or Singapore you’ve got to give up something.

    Anyways, now back to freedom people arguing for Nazi policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Same people: "Social safety nets are too expensive and breed dependency."

    I say we relocate the unhoused to golf courses.
    just remove the tax adjustment the golf course has because it’s zoned not developable, but make them sell at that basis. There are several redevelopment deals I’ve seen fall apart from this difference

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    Opioid receptors > any social safety net, or any sum of money thrown at it.

    THE END

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    I'm not grudging, its just a bs example of "homelessness".

    It is a story played over and over in ski towns where rich kids cry poor and refuse to commute a half hour from outside of town from a more affordable area.
    Commuting might involve buying a car, paying for insurance and losing time for studying. I can can understand that. Clearly you are a sociopath and lack empathy or perspective.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    ^^^^ crusty old fuck right there.

    So much better for them to live in tent cities and terrorize and literally shit on working people trying to make a life for their family.

    The ďpoorĒ actually suffer this shit more than your privileged existence.

    PS. ďCivil rights violations ď. Yeah. Thatís what itís all about. Those homeless tent cities in Seattle and Portland filled with white Caucasian junkies are having their civil rights violated.
    Clearly you havenít been to Seattle lately, itís not as bad as you would like to believe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    Helioooo

    Dumb free said homelessness is a civil rights violation. Because in his mind only people of color are homeless
    Thatís not what he said at all you ignorant moron. He said locking poor people up was a civil rights minefield. Is this how you interpret the world, with a lack of reading comprehension and a preconceived bias based on your racist and misogynistic views?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    Clearly you haven’t been to Seattle lately, it’s not as bad as you would like to believe.


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    Has it gotten better? Used to spend a lot of time there for work until a couple years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    Has it gotten better? Used to spend a lot of time there for work until a couple years ago.
    As usual, it depends on your standards, and where you are in the City. Petty property crime is pretty common, E.g. car breakins, but that has always been the case especially if you leave things in plain sight. Ill always tell people that at least Seattle doesnt have the gang infested no-go hoods that most other major citys have.

    We need to be careful about taking the most visible folks from the homeless problem and saying that they are the face of homelessness. The loudest, sickest, most problematic folks are the ones you see and get the headlines, but they are not necessarily the majority.

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    Regardless of the ignorant ranting the issue of mandatory treatment of the mentally ill has strong arguments on both sides. It would be helpful to not limit the discussion to the extremes--as if.

    I am taking a wait and see attitude--let's see how it works in practice. I don't dismiss the civil rights aspect of involuntary treatment but the mentally ill homeless are harming people and we have no problem incarcerating people who harm others, so mandatory treatment doesn't seem like a stretch to me. If you are mentally ill and kill someone because the voices in your head told you you may be confined to a mental hospital potentially for life.

    Of course the mental health courts will apply only to a fraction of the unhoused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    <snip> The loudest, sickest, most problematic folks are the ones you see and get the headlines, but they are not necessarily the majority.
    Wait... you talking about homeless folks or the GOP?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    Has it gotten better? Used to spend a lot of time there for work until a couple years ago.
    I think it has if you look at pre pandemic to now. The problem is still visible but it doesnít seem as out of hand. Itís certainly nothing like the media portrays.


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    Yes, we have our share of addicts and troubled people, but most of Seattle isn't much different than it was 10 years ago.

    If you're a redneck that doesn't even live in Seattle, then it's a hell hole. If you actually live and work here, it's still a great quality of life. I guess it depends on your perspective.

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    Iím a hillbilly that grew up in north Snohomish county and live in Wenatchee, Seattle doesnít seem any worse than when I was growing up, Iím 55. If anything itís cleaner than the Ď70s and Ď80s.


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    SLC seems noticeably worse in the last year or so. I have a site downtown near Rio Grande that has way, way more people on the streets around it than when I first started working on it in January. A couple weeks ago a guy walked in the gate while we were there drilling and took a shit. Started seeing people sleeping in public parks near my house in the 'burbs this year for the first time ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    I think it has if you look at pre pandemic to now. The problem is still visible but it doesn’t seem as out of hand. It’s certainly nothing like the media portrays.
    I think it got considerably worse for the first two years of pandemic. Has been improving the last year and a bit. Certainly in terms of downtown Seattle streets and the camps around the freeways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    As usual, it depends on your standards, and where you are in the City. Petty property crime is pretty common, E.g. car breakins, but that has always been the case especially if you leave things in plain sight. Ill always tell people that at least Seattle doesnt have the gang infested no-go hoods that most other major citys have.

    We need to be careful about taking the most visible folks from the homeless problem and saying that they are the face of homelessness. The loudest, sickest, most problematic folks are the ones you see and get the headlines, but they are not necessarily the majority.
    I dunno, aurora ave was pretty shitty. Not much better than any us “no go” in the last decades. Seattle had a handful of Hoovervilles, aka US favelas, this isn’t new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    Commuting might involve buying a car, paying for insurance and losing time for studying. I can can understand that. Clearly you are a sociopath and lack empathy or perspective.


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    Get the fuck over yourself that a graduate student is relegated to homelessness because otherwise their commute would result in lost study time.

    Here is the reality. Homeboy wanted to live in a cool place but didn't want to pay the price. He could have commuted but decided to camp out in sunny California and mooch off his buddies. That isn't homelessness, that's someone cosplaying poor for a good story.

    Oh an homeboy definitely was subsidized with a cheap interest rate student loan. Any other uncollateralized loan (aka credit cards) carry much higher interest rates when they aren't backstopped by the feds. That isn't unique or a knock but it is still a subsidy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    Iím a hillbilly that grew up in north Snohomish county and live in Wenatchee, Seattle doesnít seem any worse than when I was growing up, Iím 55. If anything itís cleaner than the Ď70s and Ď80s.


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    This def applies to SF as well. The newer transplants like to rant about how dangerous SF is but itís no where near the 80s. Even then wasnt all that bad but the city was 100% seedier as whole back then without doubt

    Lots of the gripes stem from property crimes migrating to neighborhoods when the tourist targets disappeared during covid. Even with that though, the Haight for example isnít all that bad comparatively

    There are definitely areas w homeless camps that need to be managed better but itís not like the tenderloin hasnít always been full of shit and piss and addicts

    There def needs to be more ability for making people clean up and or relocate the camping. Iím wary but think the treatment plan is worth a try. Iím sure there will be some issues but we do have a few of psychotic regulars on the streets that just continue to harm themselves and no other action seems to have helped so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Wait... you talking about homeless folks or the GOP?



    Straight to polyass.
    I mean, that was funny, and appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    Get the fuck over yourself that a graduate student is relegated to homelessness because otherwise their commute would result in lost study time.

    Here is the reality. Homeboy wanted to live in a cool place but didn't want to pay the price. He could have commuted but decided to camp out in sunny California and mooch off his buddies. That isn't homelessness, that's someone cosplaying poor for a good story.

    Oh an homeboy definitely was subsidized with a cheap interest rate student loan. Any other uncollateralized loan (aka credit cards) carry much higher interest rates when they aren't backstopped by the feds. That isn't unique or a knock but it is still a subsidy.
    I see your ignorance extends to what graduate students do. In my observation it wasn’t much studying. There was research aka making money for the school, TAing (same) and coursework. In order. They weren’t studying at 8pm on a Friday night at the famous profs lab. Housing is a huge problem for the Bay Area because they are captured by the boomer lotto

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    This def applies to SF as well. The newer transplants like to rant about how dangerous SF is but it’s no where near the 80s. Even then wasnt all that bad but the city was 100% seedier as whole back then without doubt

    Lots of the gripes stem from property crimes migrating to neighborhoods when the tourist targets disappeared during covid. Even with that though, the Haight for example isn’t all that bad comparatively

    There are definitely areas w homeless camps that need to be managed better but it’s not like the tenderloin hasn’t always been full of shit and piss and addicts

    There def needs to be more ability for making people clean up and or relocate the camping. I’m wary but think the treatment plan is worth a try. I’m sure there will be some issues but we do have a few of psychotic regulars on the streets that just continue to harm themselves and no other action seems to have helped so far
    This is surprising. There was a different bad element here in the 90's. Quite a few shootings. But the homeless is 100% greater now than then. And the brazen shoplifting. Went to the store today and there's high school kids eating stuff from the deli before they get to the register, and an adult walked out in front of me with two rotisserie chickens and a 2 liter coke. Rarely saw stuff like that here previously.
    Who decided to stop stopping shoplifters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideski View Post
    This is surprising. There was a different bad element here in the 90's. Quite a few shootings. But the homeless is 100% greater now than then. And the brazen shoplifting. Went to the store today and there's high school kids eating stuff from the deli before they get to the register, and an adult walked out in front of me with two rotisserie chickens and a 2 liter coke. Rarely saw stuff like that here previously.
    Who decided to stop stopping shoplifters?
    they did that in the 90s. 100%. And brazen shoplifting is not new.

    there’s probably 3-5 people on the clock at a Tarmart at 9pm, they make $15/hr excluding the manager, there may not be any security. Why do you think they should give a flying fuck?

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    Why pay for anything anymore.

    Just fill your arms with liters of cola and fried chicken and walk out.

    Oh. Yeah. Now the rotisserie chicken requires a manager with a key for you to buy one. Yayyy. Winnnning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideski View Post
    This is surprising. There was a different bad element here in the 90's. Quite a few shootings. But the homeless is 100% greater now than then.
    Nowadays it's more homeless, but less gang violence. The problem is that homeless folks spread out and are a visible everyday problem to average folks, while the gang violence was mostly sequestered to known neighborhoods and no-go areas so it was pretty easy to avoid for most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    Nowadays it's more homeless, but less gang violence. The problem is that homeless folks spread out and are a visible everyday problem to average folks, while the gang violence was mostly sequestered to known neighborhoods and no-go areas so it was pretty easy to avoid for most.
    congrats on reaching coreshot racism dumbfuck

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