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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirshredalot View Post
    Yep. It's actually a pretty solvable problem at the federal level. I saw some estimates suggesting that just renting every hobo an apartment for the year might be a 1 or 2 billion dollar expenditure. That's actually pretty affordable compared to most items in the federal budget. It'd be pretty doable if our country gave a shit.
    I have a client who's a doc who sees homeless folks pretty regularly at the hospital.

    She had a conversation with this one guy who had burned some bridges with the local facilities that help rehouse people (if only temporarily). He had nowhere to go. And they were talking about this same thing: the US actually has the wherewithal to house everyone that can't afford to find their own, if the will were there. He was all for universal housing at first; he thought it might even be deserving as a right for all. But as the conversation rolled around to voting and paying for such things, he changed his mind; he didn't want to pay for other people's housing. It was an odd disconnect that illustrates a bit about where we are politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Projects like building a wall along our southern border? Or a military parade? Or paying for the family of the President to have security while skiing in Europe?
    To be fair, a significant amount of the security detail expenditures are pure graft and corruption being pocketed by Trump. Honest operation of security would come at a
    meaningfully lesser cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    Just in case I missed a post. Most ignorant post i have seen here. Extermination camps are so 1940. Wife volunteers at the library where the hang out. Sees a middle aged homeless guy and asks how he is doing. "I hurt my back and lost my job. Couldn't make the rent and got evicted. My wife and kids have been living in our car and I don't know what I'm going to do ". My wife told him "I hope things get better for you". He left and then came back in. He said to my wife "Thanks, it's nice to know someone cares." What a wonderful woman I married. Good luck to you in your quest to find a woman. Hope you find a good one. My advice Don't fish in the gutter if you want to catch a rainbow trout.
    You need some fresh batteries for your sarcasm meter, or you've lost it. Or a little bit of both.

    Also, it was real caring of the library to put up those no overnight parking signs a few weeks ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirshredalot View Post
    To be fair, a significant amount of the security detail expenditures are pure graft and corruption being pocketed by Trump. Honest operation of security would come at a
    meaningfully lesser cost.
    USA is definitely moving in that direction from a strategic standpoint. From a fiscal one.... not so much. Europe is more or less on its own going forward, same for the Middle East. But the savings will likely be redirected into space farce or similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    You need some fresh batteries for your sarcasm meter, or you've lost it. Or a little bit of both.

    Also, it was real caring of the library to put up those no overnight parking signs a few weeks ago.
    Probably. Like I said, may have missed a post.
    Library isn't a camp ground. Could use a dirty needle box in the bathroom.
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    It is disgusting that here in the US, one of the richest societies in history, we have people camping on the streets in many of our cities. It's embarrassing that in many poorer countries there's much less visible homelessness than you see here.

    On the other hand, it seems to me that there's a mix of people in our homeless population - those who are just down on their luck, those who need mental health support, and lifestyle homeless / bike thieves / criddlers (this group may be more visible in Portland than in other towns) - and policies to help the homeless don't seem to distinguish between them.

    I think the "moral" argument about not wanting to pay for "lazy people" to be housed and fed could be largely addressed by homeless services that differentiate between those populations: Cadillac support for the first two groups and gulags for the last group. Having some jerkoff who drifted up from California in June and has been stealing bikes and smoking weed in the park all summer housed at public expense when winter comes along is a pretty unappealing visual. Now...if housing the jerkoffs saves money in the end, maybe it's something that we should think about, but given what we see around town, I don't think we would get away with $1,000 a month/person to house this group - there would be a lot of maintenance and likely an ongoing drain on law enforcement.

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    It should be illegal to be homeless in this country, public space isn't meant to be a campground.

    We have the resources to provide a decent place to live for every US Citizen all we lack is the will.

    I don't mean a 1 BR apartment and a stipend, I mean we actively find the homeless, determine why and do what it takes to remedy the problem.

    Considering what we spend to support some "shithole" countries and bomb the fuck out of others the funding is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    But what about the American Dream and picking yourself up by your bootstraps? Surely if you can't manage that, regardless of your lot in life, you don't deserve to live. Welcome to Dickensian America.


    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    I mean we actively find the homeless, determine why and do what it takes to remedy the problem.
    That''s nearly exactly the opposite of

    It should be illegal to be homeless in this country
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post

    Considering what we spend to support some "shithole" countries and bomb the fuck out of others the funding is there.
    This....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    It should be illegal to be homeless in this country, public space isn't meant to be a campground.
    It was illegal in many localities per vagrancy laws, most of which once made it illegal to "have no visible means of support" and/or similarly broad and vague tests. In other words, in many places it was illegal to be poor. Many of those laws were applied unequally, usually against minorities, and in the 1970s were struck down as "void for vagueness" on the theory that the laws were so vague and inconsistently applied that they provided insufficient notice and were thus unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment due process clause. Those kind of laws have been reemerging as anti-panhandling laws.

    In the old days, the vagrants were often taken to the city limits or county line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    We have the resources to provide a decent place to live for every US Citizen all we lack is the will.
    It's more than a lack of political will. This is America, where one political party thrives on blaming poor and powerless scapegoats for the problems caused by the rich and powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeezerSteve View Post
    Any meaningful discussion re homelessness in America starts requires discussion of Ronnie Reagan's termination of federal aid to mental health facilities. 1,000 points of light aint cutting it.
    Yes. As well as the ongoing societal failure in the US to humanely deal with mental illness and substance abuse.

    does #vanlife count as "homeless"? Or do the trustafari get a pass because they are rich, white and online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    Probably. Like I said, may have missed a post.
    Library isn't a camp ground. Could use a dirty needle box in the bathroom.
    Agreed, it was a bit of a mess out there, but I see those same folks dispersed around town now, and that isn't a solution either. Stop over and say hi sometime you're putzing around the library. My deadpan sarcasm translates (slightly) better in person that it does via TGR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post




    That''s nearly exactly the opposite of
    Yeah, glad you caught that.

    It was intentional.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeezerSteve View Post
    It was illegal in many localities per vagrancy laws, most of which once made it illegal to "have no visible means of support" and/or similarly broad and vague tests. In other words, in many places it was illegal to be poor. Many of those laws were applied unequally, usually against minorities, and in the 1970s were struck down as "void for vagueness" on the theory that the laws were so vague and inconsistently applied that they provided insufficient notice and were thus unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment due process clause. Those kind of laws have been reemerging as anti-panhandling laws.

    In the old days, the vagrants were often taken to the city limits or county line.

    It's more than a lack of political will. This is America, where one political party thrives on blaming poor and powerless scapegoats for the problems caused by the rich and powerful.
    I get that. What I am counting on is that the next generations finally say they have had enough and there are more of them and they get pissed and vote.

    These people are right there in our faces and most of us just look right past/through them. Me included.

    Any one of us could easily wind up in the same boat with just a few of the wrong moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    What I am counting on is that the next generations finally say they have had enough and there are more of them and they get pissed and vote.
    They will at the same time they find another way to corrupt the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    Considering what we spend to support some "shithole" countries and bomb the fuck out of others the funding is there.
    The real kicker is when it's the same country for both ends of it, at the same time...

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