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    I did not mean to impugn the beauty of Geneve to Martigny, that's striking as well.

    My wife and I did the trip from Geneve to Florence via train and the Simplon tunnel and Como a few years ago and really liked it.

    The biggest surprise for us were the areas along the Swiss/Italian lakes Locarno to Lugano with the Alps above. Just something to consider.
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    Take the tgv paris Geneva. Couple of hours.
    Rent a car, drive to chamonix, then the tunnel to Italy. A couple of hours then you're in cervinia, where you can take the lifts to zermatt, where you don't need a car.
    Reverse.

    Driving from Geneva to cervinia is fantastic.
    Stop in Italy and have a great lunch or dinner.

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    Actually, i was off, Geneva to cervinia 2h 40 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutash View Post
    There is a hotel with a hostel style dormitory across the street from the train station. Affordable but not fancy.
    I stayed in the top floor of that place about 25 years ago. It got cheaper as you went higher in the building, one big bunk room with 3 story bunk beds on the top floor.

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    Great stuff here. I'm considering an Aosta Valley trip...maybe 5 days in Courmayeur then to Cervinia. They're both on the Aosta Valley pass and there's an International version which includes Zermatt. So what's it like getting from Cervinia to Zermatt via ski lifts?

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    Love love love zermat n skin over into italy.... love the town

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5Beder View Post
    Great stuff here. I'm considering an Aosta Valley trip...maybe 5 days in Courmayeur then to Cervinia. They're both on the Aosta Valley pass and there's an International version which includes Zermatt. So what's it like getting from Cervinia to Zermatt via ski lifts?
    Easy to go from Cervina to Zermatt. But I'd suggest going to Champoluc/Gressoney/Alagna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    But I'd suggest going to Champoluc/Gressoney/Alagna.
    We have friends that have a house ~45-50 min outside of Alagna. The Monte Rosa area looks amazing but I have a few questions (happy to discuss via PM so not to hijack this thread's main purpose).

    1 - How feasible is that daily drive in the winter?
    2 - How family friendly is Alagna? I've looked into some guides and the terrain seems to be what I'd want but this would be a family trip (wife, tween and baby). We took the tween to Hokkaido with us a few years ago but this is obviously a bit different.
    3 - The drive to Gressoney/Champoluc, Cervinia or Courmayer are all ~1h45 - 2h, so only feasible if we stay closer.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliKid View Post
    We have friends that have a house ~45-50 min outside of Alagna. The Monte Rosa area looks amazing but I have a few questions (happy to discuss via PM so not to hijack this thread's main purpose).

    1 - How feasible is that daily drive in the winter?
    I have only driven up to Alagna and it's fine if it doesn't snow. When it dumps, you really want 4/awd/snowtires and getting there early, like anywhere else. But there are no windy passes, it's all relatively flat.

    2 - How family friendly is Alagna? I've looked into some guides and the terrain seems to be what I'd want but this would be a family trip (wife, tween and baby). We took the tween to Hokkaido with us a few years ago but this is obviously a bit different.
    The pistes are better maintained and it seemed to be more family friendly at Champoluc and Gressoney/Staffal, good options from top to bottom.

    Alagna also has good pistes up high, but the runout can be really tiring and ratty. One can ski the pistes up high there or go over to Staffal and Champoluc and then download the big tram down the lower mountain back down to Alagna.

    It's a ridiculously big place counting all 3 valleys and Antagnod.

    Alagna is the least developed, all old stone buildings, an amazing central church. I remember this one bar kind of mid lower in the town below the main church that was built into a rock wall with huDge boulders outside covered in glass and art.

    The guy to get guided by there is Sergio Gabbio. who runs http://www.montagnadiluce.it/en/ . Also, the people who run the albergodeipescatori.it in Piode along the access road have a parking spot right next to the main tram in town. It's worth buying a parking spot from them if they'll sell one. They let people in their hotel use it.

    3 - The drive to Gressoney/Champoluc, Cervinia or Courmayer are all ~1h45 - 2h, so only feasible if we stay closer.
    ok.
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    Alagna to gressoney is best done by skiing

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    Thanks Buster and Rod.

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    Champoluc is the place you want to be for family friendly., for a number of reasons. Champlouc proper has decent beginner facilities. Frachey (2km away) has very good intermediate terrain. The town is convenient and has more than Gressoney or Alagna including an English ski school with childcare and children's instruction. The village is especially English language friendly. Gressoney and Alagna both have kinda crappy runouts to the village, Champoluc's is much better.

    None of the valleys are convenient to one another, except by skiing. Alagna is not even in the same province. It's a 3 hour drive in good conditions. Gressoney is not located at the village, so you're either staying at Staffal or taking a hotel bus up in the morning. If you're coming from Geneva/Chamonix/Cervina, Alagna is 2 hours further.

    Alagna has one thing going for it, fewer lifts to the good stuff on powder days. To tell the truth however, the crowd at the Champoluc side will more likely be sticking to the piste, so the off piste stays untracked fairly well.

    Full disclosure - I have worked for the English ski school there as well as the one in Courmayeur and Cervina, so take any baises as they come.
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    Thanks Buster, Leo and others for the tips. We're most likely going to save the Alps for another trip. You know - keep the wife happy so she lets me ski at home this winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5Beder View Post
    Great stuff here. I'm considering an Aosta Valley trip...maybe 5 days in Courmayeur then to Cervinia. They're both on the Aosta Valley pass and there's an International version which includes Zermatt. So what's it like getting from Cervinia to Zermatt via ski lifts?
    Ride lifts up from Cervinia, slide down snow to Zermatt.

    Aosta Valley is beautiful, and full of wonderful wines. Great touring on the Great St. Bernard Pass. There is even a decent microbrewery now in Aosta, one of the few good beers in France, Italy, Switzerland and Austria.

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
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    Nice map of the off piste routes on the South side of the Monte Rosa ending in Champoluc, Gressoney or Alagna:


    direct link allows expansion:

    http://www.monterosa.com/Portals/0/i...te-Map-Big.jpg

    The highest tram, the Indren, tops out at 3275m where the Col de Lys and access to the Grenz Glacier down into Zermatt is at 4250m, so a good 3 hours skin. The Grenz is extremely crevassed.
    From the Pyramid Vincent at 4200, it's 300 vertical meters down to Alagna.

    Col de Lys to Staffal via the Valle Perdu 2400m vertical:
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