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  1. #2751
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    Where will Westbrook end up? Seems like OKC is/will be trading out vets and big contracts for picks and young assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizz View Post
    This would be the year to change to top 16 teams regardless of conference playoff seeding. As it stands I think at least 2 Eastern teams will make it in with losing records.

    To make it interesting, have the first two out from the West play the first two out from the East one game for the 15 and 16 slots.
    Would be a fun idea. NBA seems to be the league most willing to change among major sports.

    Wonder if they’ll do the mid-year tournament to break up the regular season. Maybe award an extra draft pick to winner of tourney as an incentive?

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    Boogie n Rondo to Lakers

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    ^^^^man are they going to be easy to hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnepa View Post
    ^^^^man are they going to be easy to hate.
    Fuck dude, I had 40 years of intense hate that I put on the shelf while they were irrelevant for 5-6 years. Pretty easy to put it back in place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Kawhi to the Clippers with Paul George...
    But why Kawhi??
    Shit.
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    NBA 2018/2019 thread

    Quote Originally Posted by garyfromterrace View Post
    But why Kawhi??
    Shit.
    Because he’s from SoCal... sometimes it’s just that simple.

    Lakers are going to have an old roster.

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    ^^^it's like the Cavs.....part 2.

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    Nuggets obtain Jerami Grant from OKC for 1st rounder. I like the move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnepa View Post
    ^^^^man are they going to be easy to hate.
    I got banned from Stapes for One Year, I win the hate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhelihiker View Post
    I got banned from Stapes for One Year, I win the hate
    OK, I’ll bite - what’s the story behind that?

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    OKC already has acquired an absurd number of draft picks over the next 5 or so years. Once they trade Westbrook the total haul is going to be insane. They weren't going anywhere - smart to just burn the whole thing to the ground.

    Can you believe that franchise drafted KD, Westbrook and Harden in three straight years and never won a finals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    OKC already has acquired an absurd number of draft picks over the next 5 or so years. Once they trade Westbrook the total haul is going to be insane. They weren't going anywhere - smart to just burn the whole thing to the ground.
    I think the fact that the Thunder is in OKC is going to start sinking in and they'll forever join the long line of immaterial teams.

    It'll be nice when they clearout and allow more WWE into Chesapeake Energy Arena.

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    Well, if you are a small market then you need to be draft heavy. Sam Presti is a smart exec who gets that and I agree with his approach.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Well, if you are a small market then you need to be draft heavy. Sam Presti is a smart exec who gets that and I agree with his approach.


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    Would it be much different it they had stayed in Seattle? I think so

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    So how is all this player empowerment going? Makes it easier to follow along when you only have to pay attention to 6 or 8 teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Sam Presti is a smart exec who gets that and I agree with his approach.
    What evidence do we have for this? The draft is a crap shoot so I'm not going to give him credit on that and even if you did he had enough blunders to disqualify him from being "smart." What moves has he made that are "smart?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    Would it be much different it they had stayed in Seattle? I think so
    The number 13 market, home of Boeing, MSFT and Amazon versus OKC at 45?

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    Seattle had good fans. That was a shit move imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiBall View Post
    Seattle had good fans. That was a shit move imo.
    The shit move is still ongoing. In 1988, Sonics owner late Barry Ackerly wanted to build a privately funded arena in what is now the stadium district. The pols of the day nixed the idea because they were afraid the publicly owned and geographically isolated Colosseum (now the Key) would become a white elephant.

    The Colosseum was rebuilt largely with public funds almost exactly how the Sonics wanted it. In 1995 David Stern thought it was wonderful. In 2002 when Howard bought the team in his quest to be liked, both him and the very same David Stern thought the place was a barn.


    It is exactly repeating itself right now.


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    HOWARD, IF YOUR READING THIS, FUCK OFF!
    seems like a child’s lifetime ago KD was playing in Seattle
    now he’s a veteran with rings and off to the big apple. Sonic fans wish him nothing but the best and for OKC to remain cursed. hope to take my children to a Sonic game someday
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    A new way to measure defense? https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-nba-defense/

    “... one essential discovery we made in playing around with the opponents’ shooting data: the idea of minimizing openness. The main goal of shooting defense, especially in today’s spacing-centric, ball-movement-forward offensive era, is really to minimize the chance of an open shot.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by concretejungle View Post
    What evidence do we have for this? The draft is a crap shoot so I'm not going to give him credit on that and even if you did he had enough blunders to disqualify him from being "smart." What moves has he made that are "smart?"
    He did make some blunders, but he's more creative than a lot of GM's. And he's had his hands tied at times by OKC's cheapskate owners. It was impressive how he was able to trade for PG13 in the first place (he really snuck in out of nowhere) and the haul he just got for PG13 is crazy. On the other hand, he drafted three straight MVP winners and didn't win a title.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    Would it be much different it they had stayed in Seattle? I think so
    I do too. I think most NBA players would prefer to live in Seattle over OKC, without a doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by 54-46 View Post
    A new way to measure defense? https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-nba-defense/

    “... one essential discovery we made in playing around with the opponents’ shooting data: the idea of minimizing openness. The main goal of shooting defense, especially in today’s spacing-centric, ball-movement-forward offensive era, is really to minimize the chance of an open shot.”
    I like that they are trying something new, but one slight flaw with this is it punishes players who consistently guard the best scorer on the other team, especially on the perimeter (i.e. Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    I like that they are trying something new, but one slight flaw with this is it punishes players who consistently guard the best scorer on the other team, especially on the perimeter (i.e. Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson).
    How do you figure? According to that article, Thompson was one of the players most "helped" by their analysis.

    One problem with that article, however, is that the "best" defenders were mostly bigs. I am sure that is because an uncontested shot close to the basket is almost a sure thing, while a contested shot is much harder. But their analysis should have at least discussed the difference between perimeter players and bigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    How do you figure? According to that article, Thompson was one of the players most "helped" by their analysis.

    One problem with that article, however, is that the "best" defenders were mostly bigs. I am sure that is because an uncontested shot close to the basket is almost a sure thing, while a contested shot is much harder. But their analysis should have at least discussed the difference between perimeter players and bigs.
    You're right that it's definitely an improvement for Thompson compared to some of those other metrics, but I still think it underrates guys like him and Kawhi because of the difficulty factor. It's also just based on shooting, whereas if you lock down someone on the perimeter and force them to pass the ball away - which is great defense - it doesn't account for that.

    I don't think we'll ever see a truly good defensive statistic - it's too multi-faceted.

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