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    Bimboes on CD114 196? Jesus f. Christ. This guy is crazy. Look forward to Verbier and see him crushing the Bec on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roQer View Post
    Bimboes on CD114 196? Jesus f. Christ. This guy is crazy. Look forward to Verbier and see him crushing the Bec on it.
    Surprised me too as he has ridden the CD114-189 (variations of the WA and normal model) as the daily Sieber. Pulled the big boys out and ripped it. Full stock pair there
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    I understand that the score number itself doesn't matter and it's all about the ranking, but I just can't understand how Eder won, let alone by that big of a margin. It really seems like the judges are rewarding tricks this year in a way that they haven't in the past. They're also penalizing loss of control pretty harshly, but that seems more understandable to me than the emphasis on tricks over technical and creative skiing with straight airs. I wonder if we'll see someone win a stop this year with just straight airs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by auvgeek View Post
    I understand that the score number itself doesn't matter and it's all about the ranking, but I just can't understand how Eder won, let alone by that big of a margin. It really seems like the judges are rewarding tricks this year in a way that they haven't in the past. They're also penalizing loss of control pretty harshly, but that seems more understandable to me than the emphasis on tricks over technical and creative skiing with straight airs. I wonder if we'll see someone win a stop this year with just straight airs...
    I completely agree. Bimboes 4th? Please. That guys sent it like no one else. And if a skier goes bigger than all the other competitors, but has a slight hiccup on the landing he should still have a higher score than guys who had cleaner landings off smaller hits. Flippy spinny shit is all fine and good, but if you need to do flippy spinny shit with clean landings to win, everyone is going to ski slower and focus on kickers over cliffs. Guys will be traversing all over the place looking for clean jumps instead of ripping down the mountain. The scoring needs a rebalance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Guys will be traversing all over the place looking for clean jumps instead of ripping down the mountain. The scoring needs a rebalance.
    Agreed, that's why I enjoyed both Turdell and Bimboes lines... both just went raging down the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auvgeek View Post
    I understand that the score number itself doesn't matter and it's all about the ranking, but I just can't understand how Eder won, let alone by that big of a margin.
    I think even he was surprised. After Bimboes entered the corral it looked like he was gathering his belongings and thought that was the end of his time in the hot seat for sure. Then the score came up and it was like "Oh, huh, really? I guess I'll keep sitting here then...."

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    It seems like the comp / judges just haven't really found the right balance yet. A few years back, there was always concern that there were going to be some serious injuries because guys were pushing really hard in super rowdy terrain, and a lot of them were crashing. So the judging swung more towards penalizing errors, forcing people to dial it back and ski a mellower line that they could take cleanly. Those mellower lines were more conducive to tricks, so that sort of skiing has been increasingly rewarded, to the point where some sort of trick is almost required in these runs now. But with guys like Turdell and Bimboes who are skiing fast and going big, it seems like the judges struggle to compare their runs with the flippier, spinnier runs. Which sucks, because those faster runs are more in line with what I understand this comp to be about.

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    ^^Yeah, exactly. I just don't want to see it turn into a backcountry freestyle comp, which it seems is the way it's heading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    It seems like the comp / judges just haven't really found the right balance yet. A few years back, there was always concern that there were going to be some serious injuries because guys were pushing really hard in super rowdy terrain, and a lot of them were crashing. So the judging swung more towards penalizing errors, forcing people to dial it back and ski a mellower line that they could take cleanly. Those mellower lines were more conducive to tricks, so that sort of skiing has been increasingly rewarded, to the point where some sort of trick is almost required in these runs now. But with guys like Turdell and Bimboes who are skiing fast and going big, it seems like the judges struggle to compare their runs with the flippier, spinnier runs. Which sucks, because those faster runs are more in line with what I understand this comp to be about.
    I think a winning run should consist of 66% old school charging a gnarly line fast with a big huck, and 33% making creative playful use of the terrain newschool aspect. I think a mind blowing old school run with no newschool can still win, but a mindblowing newschool run with no oldschool should not.

    I think Eder fucking charges and it shows in how he is able to carry speed into those massive side hill transfer airs... plus they look really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    I think a mind blowing old school run with no newschool can still win, but a mindblowing newschool run with no oldschool should not.
    Well said, although I'd forget the ratios. I'd first look at who went the biggest, the fastest and took the most creative line, then among skiers with similar scores based on those criteria, compare style and control to differentiate between them.

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    IMO Pollard's line is akin to Bimboes' but better in several ways: top big pop into large exposure, smooth and super fast double at top (less technical than Bimboes' top line), but then 2 super stylely and stomped 360s (one corked, both in different directions), and then a super smooth and flashed bottom section. 95% as fast, just as smooth, with maybe a touch less scariness that Bimboes, but certainly more style (to my taste) and tricks. Very impressive run. I'd even put it above Eder's. Pollard's run meets the CG/ISBD! criteria well - big mountain charging with new-school style. Tops for me.

    These guys are freaking superhuman. Props to Berk - unreal line. Eliminate three tiny bobbles and he's right at the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auvgeek View Post
    I wonder if we'll see someone win a stop this year with just straight airs...
    Straight airs and ripping down the mountains is not enough anymore for a winning run at FWT. Maybe just in Verbier if someone opens up a new line. Trickery become a substantial part of freeriding at the highest level now. Even the girls are catching up. Since Hugo Harrisons perfectly executed straight airs there is not really much to add to it. And this was like what, 2001? Progression is necessary for every sport. I guess the average spectator joe doesn’t get a hard on at the beauty of a clean and fast executed fall line run, unlike maybe the average pow addict and gear whore who populates this place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roQer View Post
    Straight airs and ripping down the mountains is not enough anymore for a winning run at FWT. Maybe just in Verbier if someone opens up a new line. Trickery become a substantial part of freeriding at the highest level now. Even the girls are catching up. Since Hugo Harrisons perfectly executed straight airs there is not really much to add to it. And this was like what, 2001? Progression is necessary for every sport. I guess the average spectator joe doesn’t get a hard on at the beauty of a clean and fast executed fall line run, unlike maybe the average pow addict and gear whore who populates this place.
    I think you're right, but the problem I have is that a healthy chunk of the competitors seem to be avoiding a bunch of the gnarlier terrain because it's very, very difficult to throw tricks in there. Probably 50% of the men's field in Fieberbrunn took more or less the same looker's right line, because that line had lots of relatively low consequence, trickable opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roQer View Post
    Straight airs and ripping down the mountains is not enough anymore for a winning run at FWT. Maybe just in Verbier if someone opens up a new line. Trickery become a substantial part of freeriding at the highest level now. Even the girls are catching up. Since Hugo Harrisons perfectly executed straight airs there is not really much to add to it. And this was like what, 2001? Progression is necessary for every sport. I guess the average spectator joe doesn’t get a hard on at the beauty of a clean and fast executed fall line run, unlike maybe the average pow addict and gear whore who populates this place.
    This.

    The only way to progress fast, straight airs is to take bigger airs. These guys are already hucking 50 footers to their feet, would you be happier if they were hitting 100 footers? If so, then we get back to the issue of rider safety, which has already been brought up in this thread. The sport is progressing in a freestyle direction, which is great. If you watch any of the old footage what were huge straight airs a few years ago are now being tricked. I am all for more tricks being thrown down because I'd rather watch a stylie flat three off a 25 foot cliff than watch people hot tub off 100 foot cliffs.

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    I really hope there's still a space for a creative line skied fast through technical terrain to win. Some of the standout moments (and wins) in the last few years have been trickless - Bimboes last year at Fieberbrunn and this one from Sam Smoothy in Andorra spring to mind:


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    I’ll take watching high speed straight airs in technical and consequential terrain all day long over tricks on near-zero consequence hits. Eder’s run wasn’t anywhere near as inspiring to me as Turdell/Pollard/Bimboes. Disappointed with this direction of the FWT. Still fun to watch but would prefer scoring that emphasized the precision and power you need to confidently and reliably throw down in the way that the latter competitors did. Without that you might as well just call it another slopestyle event.

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    Definitely room for lots of lines like that at Andorra and Verbier. As we get closer to the finals the venues get more difficult and have less freestyle terrain....hence the field gets narrowed with less and less competitors.

    Overall tour direction-easiest to hardest venue= japow to Verbier extreme

    Japan=freestyle, if ur not tricking ur not winning

    Golden= Intro to some big mountain terrain but you best still be tricking to be winning

    Fieberburn=Midway- better know how to ski-Larger venue supports both styles but still any style can win. Field is cut for next venue

    Andorra- supports big mtn over freestyle. Turdell and the big guns start to distant themselves from the trick skiers. Trick skiers weakness start to really show

    Verbier only the best can even think about throwing a trick into a hit...this is what the tour is all about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky View Post
    I really hope there's still a space for a creative line skied fast through technical terrain to win. Some of the standout moments (and wins) in the last few years have been trickless - Bimboes last year at Fieberbrunn and this one from Sam Smoothy in Andorra spring to mind:

    Definitely. Smoothy's run is one of those that I remember. Same with Bimboes' canyon gap last year (and now this year).

    It's rare that I remember a run that's more trick oriented unless there's some gnar included. Example: eder's verbier run last rear.

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    teamdirt just summed it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    I’ll take watching high speed straight airs in technical and consequential terrain all day long over tricks on near-zero consequence hits. Eder’s run wasn’t anywhere near as inspiring to me as Turdell/Pollard/Bimboes. Disappointed with this direction of the FWT. Still fun to watch but would prefer scoring that emphasized the precision and power you need to confidently and reliably throw down in the way that the latter competitors did. Without that you might as well just call it another slopestyle event.
    Please keep in mind that no holding back skiing in highly consequential terrain leaves zero margin for errors. And errors happen. No one likes to see an athlete die or get badly injured. When I used to compete (long time ago and at fairly low level), people were dying taking too much risks. And for what? For a pair of new goggles and a ski? Fortunately this stopped because judges don’t reward just the gnarliest line and the biggest huck as winning run anymore. This is right and keeps the sport to a certain degree safe.
    Sam Smoothy´s winning run in Andorra was for me already slightly over the limit. I wouldn’t even reward this with the highest score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roQer View Post
    No one likes to see an athlete die or get badly injured. When I used to compete (long time ago and at fairly low level), people were dying taking too much risks.
    I stopped competing when I discovered the best part of my day was having finished my run... and not the moments of being in it. I just chalked it up to not being capable with the new talent. That was around 2001/02 and seeing Ducroz throwing lincoln loops off cliffs at Kirkwood. I couldn't trick so I was trying to make up for it by going larger than I was comfortable.

    I thought I predicted Zackrisson's retirement in '09 at hearing his interview in the finish coral, for a line he had to repel into... but he ended up competing one (?) more year.



    Remember when Rodney hit the wall a few years back? Or Heitz was insisting on 100mph every run? It's just not sustainable. I was getting really frustrated watching that as Heitz was my favorite. I welcome the recent vibe of the tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaijin View Post
    I thought I predicted Zackrisson's retirement in '09 at hearing his interview in the finish coral, for a line he had to repel into... but he ended up competing one (?) more year.


    Thanks for posting that. He came in 7th. This run is equally insane, and also didn't win
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    Quote Originally Posted by powdork View Post
    Thanks for posting that. He came in 7th. This run is equally insane, and also didn't win
    Yeah thanks for remembering that. I was also thinking at the time that kaj was going to leave it. Seemed like he figured it out that it's more fun when you have fun, that's what got the Swatch cup started?

    I love bimboes, but I'm a bit scared for himas well. Reminds me of malakohv, as in go all in to win. He's a beast. Maybe someone can chime in who has experience with 4* qualies, but they always seemed tougher than the fwt itself. He used to ride ski and snowboard in the same qualies and podium on both.

    Was bimboes riding stock cd114s because he fucked up the bases of his WAs? How many pairs has he got with him on comp day?

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    I'd also include that smoothly billygoating through technical sections isn't being rewarded enough anymore. It's an underrated skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roQer View Post
    Please keep in mind that no holding back skiing in highly consequential terrain leaves zero margin for errors. And errors happen. No one likes to see an athlete die or get badly injured. When I used to compete (long time ago and at fairly low level), people were dying taking too much risks. And for what? For a pair of new goggles and a ski? Fortunately this stopped because judges don’t reward just the gnarliest line and the biggest huck as winning run anymore. This is right and keeps the sport to a certain degree safe.
    Sam Smoothy´s winning run in Andorra was for me already slightly over the limit. I wouldn’t even reward this with the highest score.
    I never said no holding back. The athletes should still ski within their limits. Severely penalizing things like backslaps or bobbles in consequential terrain can do the same thing - encourage safe (but still inspiring) riding.

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