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    Quote Originally Posted by Angle Parking View Post
    Snowboarding saved skiing, in so may ways. And correct me if i am wrong but was Verbier not originally a snowboarding event?

    In the intervening years since the first wave of snowboarding however, the sport's limitations have reared their head. Snowboards are toys, fun toys, but toys nonetheless. They were conceived as such and as with all toys they have serious limitations, many of which were mentioned above. Skis are tools, that's what they were originally designed for. They are fun tools, but tools nonetheless and as such their use value is far greater than any toy can ever be.

    Not sure about where you guys are from but beyond the park and some chill runs, i seem to see less and less snowboarders around here. Most of the serious semi serious snowboarders i know have stopped going to the hill or touring and basically don't ride anymore (a few exceptions for sure). Basically, snowboarding sucks and it's suckiness is on full display on the FWT.

    ...except that Steve Klassen guy. He f*cking rocks!
    I agree with some of this, and with some of the other sentiments. I think skiing is better for ripping big lines fast and dropping big cliffs. I also think skiers have an advantage in McConkey style ledge-to-ledge billygoating. I think these advantages are even greater when there are firm conditions, as there often are on the FWT.

    Having said that, I think snowboarding had a strong advantage in technical spine walls. The ability to powerslide sections was very important. In the early 2000's it seemed to me that skiers were not hitting spiny terrain as well as the snowboarders were, or maybe that was just Jones and Olafsson. Since the advent of rockered skis skiers have gained the ability to powerslide where it is appropriate, and have caught up in spiny terrain, although I don't think anyone is quite at the level of Jeremy Jones on a spine wall. But in other big mountain terrain I think skiers have an advantage.

    I ski Mammoth, and I still see lots of boarders out there. But in the areas where I spend my days, Climax, Hangman's, Paranoids, Philippe's, Avy chutes, it is mostly skiers despite the fact that Mammoth is mostly a socal mountain. But there are still plenty of boarders in the steeps at Mammoth, the boarders are not just in the park.

    I will say that a number of my friends have gone back to skiing from snowboarding. I look back to the mid-90's when I was in college. I went to UCSB and was skiing Mammoth a couple of weekends a month and on vacations. We had a club ski team at UCSB, which just meant that you paid $300 at the beginning of the year and had a place to crash at in Mammoth all winter. I usually did not race because I hated waiting to run gates when I could be skiing the noids. Around 96 they opened the team up to snowboarders. Around that time in socal everyone was boarding, particularly people who surfed. I learned to really enjoy powder in 1994, I was an east coast bump skier and struggled in pow when I first went out west. I watched how much the boarders loved pow, and I thought about switching. But the problem I had with boarding was that it did not seem fun in bumps and firm steeps, and that was what I was skiing the majority of the time. Once I learned to love pow in skinny skis I had no interest in snowboarding. Then in the late 90's we got fat skis, and everything changed. I think lots of people who switched to enjoy pow are now switching back, because they have discovered that they can not only ski pow on fat skis, but also enjoy firm steeps on skis in ways they would not on a snowboard. That is the reason most of my friends who have switched back have given me, they can now enjoy pow on skis AND get the benefits of skiing when the snow is bad. I think previously the advantage of snowboarding was powder performance and park hits, but the powder performance advantage is basically gone now, so if you want to spend your days in steep terrain skiing is often a better option.

    But Mammoth still has plenty of boarders who throw down in big terrain. On Friday I saw a boarder hit Serbe's and launch a huge cliff beneath it at full speed. I wish I had footage of it, it was nuts.

    I will add that JJ, the De La Rue brothers and TRice are three of my favorite snow riders.
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    Rehashing the Tanner topic a bit... put me in the cop-out camp. It looks like he's filming booters and mini golf lines around Tahoe which he has done for so many years now? His film last year has racked up 93k views on Vimeo -- decent numbers but not earth shattering. His sponsors are down to Armada, Ruroc and Goonwear now so can't imagine he's making much sponsor cash for filming web edits at this point.

    If that's what he has fun doing then great but using filming as an excuse not to compete on the Bec is weak when it's not a major film production commitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long duc dong View Post
    But Mammoth still has plenty of boarders who throw down in big terrain. On Friday I saw a boarder hit Serbe's and launch a huge cliff beneath it at full speed. I wish I had footage of it, it was nuts.
    Might have been this guy? https://www.instagram.com/p/BvnTkFRAC3R/

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    Quote Originally Posted by nordekette View Post
    I am so happy this thread came to an end this season. I thought in the beginning it is cool to talk nerd fwt stuff, but it seemed to me some you did not ride enough pow this winter! I dis not care about low ranks before. Now seeing what happens rank#5 -#10 buhhh it is brutal. When every point counts for you staying on tour... tough shit!! And i also agree does guys riding there lives for our entertainment.... actual it is a perversion. But comp freeriding has nothing todo with skiing same as the streif or rondo races.
    So this over and over discussed wildcard issue of tanner hall WTF
    Let him ride it! He is a well known skier and rides better and more then people judging here. If you like him or not. Ok pulling out if verbier made me wonder. As the whole tour is just warm ufor the bec.
    And did markus eder or victor de la rue ride FWQ?????? So they stole the titles as they did not go through the ranks!
    Correct me if i am wrong.

    So japan stop and all the venue complaining. It is good to stay the tour in Japan. One of the view places where there is pow and faces are well filled that time of the year. And the Norway and Russia stop sucked imo.

    There is no other bec and that's for areason.
    Complaining about the guys behind the mic.... fuuuck Ever watched a surfing contest? They really have to talk about shit cause in a 30min heat there is not much happening. Have you listened how they down talk wind and small waves at jbay? So. I think it is ok. And to bolts where is the problem. Mcfly and williman are a great combo. Williman quote:"The take off is so far gone out of his brain until he lands" best one this season for me

    Different judging for bcfreestyle and freeriding plus shaped takeoffs.... check skierscup it had all of above mentioned plus seth and jp...

    Cant remeber more what annoyed me here....

    Thanks for the snowboardmovie link..... i guess the golden era of snowboarding.

    And yes the skiers vs snowboard discussion so 1995!!! And excellent end to a real garbage thread...

    And yaaeah one more thing... the FWT is corrupt and they hand the result list to the judges. It is not the formula one with bernie Ecclestone runin real big dollars.

    Thanks to the fwt for doing this for my entertainment and big up to all the riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long duc dong View Post

    I will add that JJ, the De La Rue brothers and TRice are three of my favorite snow riders.
    That's four people.

    - That guy.
    "Typically euro, french in particular, in my opinion. It's the same skiing or climbing there. They are completely unfazed by their own assholeness. Like it's normal." - srsosbso

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    Quote Originally Posted by powdork View Post
    i disagree with the age of snowboarding part. When I moved to tahoe back in 94 the Hatchetts were on TB3 I think and they were doing way bigger lines than any skiers. I've always been an avid skier but there was a period when I watched snowboarding movies exclusively because what they were doing was so far ahead of skiers. Then the skis got fat.

    edit-and damn. i forgot about victoria jealouse

    Blast from the past. Her locker was beside mine in high school lol. She had just moved out to Kamloops to ski race, got injured and started boarding (and I moved away for university...).
    Re: Kicking Horse FWT, could the Dogteeth be in play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chugachjed View Post
    Top cryptologists are working 24/7 to decipher what the fuck you’re saying.
    Y'all need to smoke more, or work on your reading comprehension!



    Ski Boss hate in this thread is funny!
    An offpist dad is MAD that stoner homeboy donated his name to a niche comp, then didn't compete on death face for 7th place!

    That said thanks for the insight, that was very cool following along all winter.


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    Anybody care to link the ski boss line from the comp?

    I still remember the first time i saw tb5. Definitely reset the bar for me and friends. A good friend has been using that one olofsson seen in his college math classes for almost 20 yrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
    That's four people.

    - That guy.
    Woops.

    I think this is appropriate here. Richard Permin and Victor De La Rue in Sweet and Sour. Some sick footage here.

    https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/fi...W11/sweet-sour
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    Did Permin ever compete on either tour? I can't seem to recall. His mix of freestyle and big mountain charging would be a great fit.

    Always liked this MSP segment...




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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Did Permin ever compete on either tour? I can't seem to recall. His mix of freestyle and big mountain charging would be a great fit.

    Always liked this MSP segment...



    I know he did, but that might have been as a wildcard. I actually tried to find his results from back around 2010, but the rankings from back then are not available on the FWT site. I remember when I first saw Permin, he was KILLING it in the Tulsequah segment in The Way I See It, dropping huge cliffs cleanly. Then I saw him ski the park and I could not believe it was the same guy. I looked into him and discovered he had competed on the FWT. I really wish I could find his results, or a footage of some of his lines. Unfortunately the FWT site does not have the info from back then. I do know he competed in some events in 2010, and I think in 2011 as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long duc dong View Post
    I know he did, but that might have been as a wildcard. I actually tried to find his results from back around 2010, but the rankings from back then are not available on the FWT site. I remember when I first saw Permin, he was KILLING it in the Tulsequah segment in The Way I See It, dropping huge cliffs cleanly. Then I saw him ski the park and I could not believe it was the same guy. I looked into him and discovered he had competed on the FWT. I really wish I could find his results, or a footage of some of his lines. Unfortunately the FWT site does not have the info from back then. I do know he competed in some events in 2010, and I think in 2011 as well.
    2010 Wild Card to Mont Blanc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokomahonah View Post
    Y'all need to ... work on your reading comprehension!
    Yep, that's definitely it.
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    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

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    Permin's skiing: not real. So good. But funny enough, I remember seeing a Permin FWT vid. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_sE8GpSNvw

    Tentative, slow, lost, and capped off by a total ragdoll. Can you imagine the vitriol that would have ensued if T-Hall skied any of his lines like that??
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    That was a pretty burley entrance...

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    Freeride World Tour - 2019

    In Permin’s defense that was 2010 and he improved his big mountain game substantially in the years after that. Note Abma and Cody’s comments in that other video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grskier View Post
    That was a pretty burley entrance...
    Agreed, that looked gnarly. All the more so as a first track. Would love to see him do it again with his experience now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meter-man View Post
    Permin's skiing: not real. So good. But funny enough, I remember seeing a Permin FWT vid. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_sE8GpSNvw

    Tentative, slow, lost, and capped off by a total ragdoll. Can you imagine the vitriol that would have ensued if T-Hall skied any of his lines like that??
    Nice find. It did look like he lost his way there. Someone can be a great skier and lose their way, or crash. Permin was a great big mountain skier even back then, his shots in The Way I See It, which are from the winter of 2010, are pretty nuts. I think he could have done well in that contest, he just lost his line and got a bit confused. It happens to the best. He was in a sketchy spot, and probably was unsure about where he was. That is certainly understandable.

    Candide coming in and winning was pretty amazing. I would think it takes more than just being a great skier to do well on the FWT, you have to figure lines out and learn how to make good decisions. I think if Permin spent some time competing he would do well, he is an incredible skier. It is somewhat like that in surfing. Bruce Irons was arguably the second best surfer on the planet at one point, after Kelly. He was probably third, after Kelly and his brother. He was never a great contest surfer, he actually won his first WCT contest after he had announced he was quitting the tour, and it was a contest at a perfect Indonesian reef. I think big mountain skiing contests are about decision making and route finding as well as skiing. One would think the route finding would be in place for the film guys, they are scoping a face and planning their line, but I think there is probably a difference. It would be interesting to hear about the differences in the way it is done between film and contest from someone who has extensive experience in both, a Cody Townsend, Windtstedt or an Ian Mac. I would be curious to hear them compare skiing AK lines in the movies vs. skiing a contest line on the Bec.

    Permin competed at Sochi in 2010 too. I can't find a video of his line. He finished 15th, so not great, but he did finish ahead of some very good skiers.

    I wish I could find a link to Permin's part in The Way I See It. He was destroying some very big lines even back in 2010. I think he just did not have a good day at the contest.
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    To the points made above regarding the limitations of snowboarding, and the advantages of skiing in Bec type terrain, I believe this to be is a very insightful video. I think it makes clear the revolutionary impetus that snowboarding provided, but also it's limitations.

    It has to be said however that Steve Klassen and Xavier are so cool. Those dudes are cool in a way beyond measure and comprehension. I had never even heard of Steve Klassen before this years event but duuuuuuuuuude!!!!

    Steve Klassen's laid out power slide a la skateboarding (1:38), over exposure is so, so, so cool.
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    Freeride World Tour - 2019

    Rewatching fwt vids. Kristofer Turdell is incomprehensibly good . That is all i have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angle Parking View Post
    Rewatching fwt vids. Kristofer Turdell is incomprehensibly good . That is all i have to say.
    I'll have to go back and watch a few runs now that they aren't fresh and rescore.... thanks for the bump.

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    From FWT social mediumz

    After 2 full seasons on the Tour Markus Eder has decided to hang up his jersey and will not be competing in the FWT20 he is going to spend the coming winters working on a new personal project. We wish him all the best!
    Bummer! Best of luck to a true champ.

    Some sweet highlights from the Remarks: https://www.freerideworldtour.com/ne...down-south-fwq
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    Not sure how to time stamp but if you skip to 3:35:00 you will see the run of Abel Moga. Good enough for 3rd place there's just something about this run that keeps me coming back. The 2019 event features multiple skiers heading to that part of the venue but there's an 'uncharted territory' element to Moga's run that is very cool. Bold. The commentators add a very cool vibe as well. Great run.

    https://www.freerideworldtour.com/ev...pl-head/replay

    And on a similar 'uncharted territory' vibe is Tabke's run at Verbier this year. I'm not saying that he should have placed or anything, but it is a very cool run.

    Take is so so cool.

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    FWT just dropped their trailer for the 2020 season - Hakuba, Kicking Horse, Vallnord-Arcalis, Fieberbrunn, Verbier. Same as last year.

    Should we start another thread or just keep rolling with this one?
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    I vote new thread.


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