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  1. #1
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    What if it doesn't snow again this season in CO & UT?

    Last season was biblically bad for snowfall (less than 40% of average) and the industry took a good financial hit. Most businesses have the ability to bounce back after one bad season... but two (or three) bad seasons in a row?
    If this happens again, I fear that it will be a tipping point, possibly leading to a economic downward spiral.

    Then again, it could be all-time huge this year! But what if it isn't?

    Living in a ski town, in the face of climate change, is becoming nerve-racking!
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    CO will be fine. Thing is, most people who come on vacation don't want it to snow. They like sunny groomer skiing.

    Our business had record numbers last season. Population boom on the FR helps too.

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    The only way the lack of precip will hurt business is if they fail to get a bunch of groomer skiing ready for XMas. It was marginal even for that at PCMR last year.

    The water situation and fire danger are more of a threat than the hordes of gapers failing to show up.

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    It'll be localized. I think CB will be up no matter what due to the Epic pass, and there are a lot of ski areas that will have a bump from joining either Ikon or Epic for the first time. Some areas were even close to average last year (i.e A Basin). The far bigger problem will be drought and fires the following summer.

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    What if it doesn't snow again this season in CO & UT?

    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    CO will be fine. Thing is, most people who come on vacation don't want it to snow. They like sunny groomer skiing.

    Our business had record numbers last season. Population boom on the FR helps too.
    This. Itís hilarious to talk to tourons who complain about the cold and snow and love a good, smooth groomer under blue skies. No wonder the lower part of Breck is so popular 🤙

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    Then let them corporate ski lords go bankrupt
    Save your money, take out a loan
    then buy one up in the inevitable fire-sale

    boom! your own private ski area.

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    What if...
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
    Living in a ski town, in the face of climate change, is becoming nerve-racking!
    What about hedging with the development of sand/gravel/soil/scree skiing lift access options? Easy as a skier to adapt, might be a bit more difficult for a full infrastructure shift...but, necessity is the mother of all invention.

    I was a skeptic but saw the light. Feels like the real thing.

    What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?

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    ^they have those big sand dune thingys there and my inlaws ski there in the summer. We have dunes here too but I can drive to Hood in the same amount of time so I haven't tried it yet.
    They have pretty good beer in CO and realistically I only need to spend a couple days there to visit the in-laws. I think I'd be ok but it seems like it'd be a bummer to spend the whole year there with no snow.

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    well i probably wont ski a 100 days for consecutive seasons
    will work more than i should
    probably road trip with the extra $$
    will fish more than 100 days
    possibly some in the winter
    "When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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    ski on in eternal peace

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    Then I hope to see the lot of you at The Village.

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    Letís hope not

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    You shut your whore mouth

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    Places above 8K elevation will be fine, maybe taking longer, with more manmade efforts to ramp up. But, by January they should be rocking, possibly more due to additional moisture warmer temps lower facilitate. Mid Atlantic and southern midwest places are more likely to suck more. Seems like the past 4 years in a row our annual February trips have been skiing in the rain as it washes away the base built in January. Christmas break here is now about as unpredictable as Thanksgiving used to be. Now Thanksgiving is a maybe with a strong possibility that it will all melt again before Christmas if they do manage to get lifts turning in November or early December.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    The well at my house is getting down to the bottom. Makes me consider my long term plans. Buying land, starting family, etc.

    I have full faith it will nuke this season. Come on down to Taos, for the powder.

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    I don't really understand the complaints about skiing in CO last season unless you were in SW CO. I70 resorts did very well, especially A Basin and Loveland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracer88_00 View Post
    I don't really understand the complaints about skiing in CO last season unless you were in SW CO. I70 resorts did very well, especially A Basin and Loveland.
    Those were the only places that did well. Vail was pretty bad, CB matched the worst year I've seen in my ~25 years here and I don't quite call it SW CO, Aspen had a decent 2 week stretch, and that was about it..

    This summer wasn't exactly wet, either. I just hope they'll be able to blow some snow given that local stream levels are near record lows. Blue Mesa is so low that parts of it have become toxic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracer88_00 View Post
    I don't really understand the complaints about skiing in CO last season unless you were in SW CO. I70 resorts did very well, especially A Basin and Loveland.
    That's what Al told you anyway. Abasin did OK, but in 21 years of skiing there, last year was one of the worst. I still had a good amount of fun, but it was definitely harder to motivate with so few powder days. Best day of the season was xmas day. I skied the enduro in April and all the runs were at least passable.

    Summit county is consistently mediocre with a few standout years. Luckily, aspect and elevation help the basin retain snow very well which in turn leads to the ability to not suck as bad on bad years.

    OTOH Vail and Beaver Creek were just slightly better than abysmal as was Monarch, CB, Aspen, etc. Didn't pay attention to Steamboat or WP but assume they were quite ugly for most of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    Blue Mesa is so low that parts of it have become toxic.
    Blue tide Somebody commented about algae mats forming in streams at 10000'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracer88_00 View Post
    I don't really understand the complaints about skiing in CO last season unless you were in SW CO. I70 resorts did very well, especially A Basin and Loveland.
    That isn't remotely true. Winter Park, which did about as well as any Colorado resort, had an average year. It looked great by comparison, but was strictly average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    That's what Al told you anyway. Abasin did OK, but in 21 years of skiing there, last year was one of the worst. I still had a good amount of fun, but it was definitely harder to motivate with so few powder days. Best day of the season was xmas day. I skied the enduro in April and all the runs were at least passable.

    Summit county is consistently mediocre with a few standout years. Luckily, aspect and elevation help the basin retain snow very well which in turn leads to the ability to not suck as bad on bad years.

    OTOH Vail and Beaver Creek were just slightly better than abysmal as was Monarch, CB, Aspen, etc. Didn't pay attention to Steamboat or WP but assume they were quite ugly for most of the season.
    I'll take "consistently mediocre with a few standout years" over the feast and famine that you get in some places. Even with the crappy year at CB, I had a great time there last March and a good amount of the extremes was open.

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    Yeah, I have always used "consistently mediocre" as one of the reasons not to move away from CO, but I lived in the PNW for a while and it sure was nice when you were "feasting".

    I think Jackson is probably the spot that is the most "consistently good".

    Either way though, I like skiing and snowboarding enough that I'll still go on even the worst days. I'm pretty happy that I've been able to keep that mindset throughout my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracer88_00 View Post
    I'll take "consistently mediocre with a few standout years"
    Sounds like you've got the right attitude for living in Colorado.


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    Some people have said because of low runoff and dry summer - water rights for snowmaking might be curtailed. Or the water might just simply not be there.
    Not sure exactly what that impact would be, I'm kinda out of that loop.

    Think snow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepHelmet View Post
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