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  1. #176
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyeaster View Post
    i will but i need to find some cheap used bindings and skins. i also don't have any avalanche gear (except an avalung) or training
    well clamps and skins need to fit, but iíd bet weíll have some avy gear here for you. and plenty of mellow terrain, and moderate, and advanced etc

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    Iíve just scanned through this thread since last posting but hereís my 2 cents.

    If you get hung up on peopleís speed, too fast or too slow, you probably arenít much fun to ski with.

    If you smoke weed in the BC Iíll still ski with you but Iím not going to put myself in a situation where I might need to count on you to save my ass. Iíll adjust my objectives based on your sobriety.

    The comments about not taking someone somewhere someone else showed you are BS. No one owns the BC, if you have a stash you donít want people to know about donít show people. Have fun skiing it alone!

    There seems to be a lot of fear associated with going out with new people. If you donít know someone set your objectives appropriately. They may be a dud you never ski with again or they may become your best ski partner. At some point you were the new guy, give em a chance.

    Most importantly, you are there to have fun, donít get so worked up about every detail. Help people when you can, ski powder when you can.

  3. #178
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    Quote Originally Posted by mall walker View Post
    well clamps and skins need to fit, but iíd bet weíll have some avy gear here for you. and plenty of mellow terrain, and moderate, and advanced etc
    that's very kind. thank you. it might be a bridge too far for me to get the splitboard geared up and get to utah but we'll see how it goes. i look forward to seeing some familiar faces and meeting some new ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleskier View Post
    Lots of useful information in this thread. One of the common themes that keeps resurfacing is the dynamic of the "new invite". A couple of strategies that I use here is to use shorter, close-to-home tours to check out newcomers. I've had great success with this approach. Secondly, the group that I hit the backcountry with is very open and transparent when someone is bringing in a newcomer. We discuss this well before we head out for the trail head and we know that it's not cool to deal with "surprises" when we are headed somewhere that "counts".

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    Bingo. I do the same thing.

    I personally am kind of in this no-man's land between often newer, or a bit slower but no less enthusiastic skiers...and some of the most accomplished (almost always faster) skiers in the state that I tour with only occasionally. When I go out with group "A", I almost always pick close to home, well worn routes that build confidence. I'm hit up by lots of people new to the sport to have me "take them out", happens every season. The expectations are set right away, and they all know their ability levels. These days are often really fun because the pace isn't crushing everybody, and there is room for banter & laughs. Yeah, we don't get a ton of vert, but that's not the point. Some "graduate" from this group. That always rules. But it's funny how many have very high expectations and goals, but do little beyond the dead basics; they never up their avy game from a basic course to Avy 1, never really get in shape...or never take their gear seriously enough (other than having the dead basics). I even put together a three-tiered gear list I share. "Must have", "Nice to have", "Spring Lines".

    As it transitions to spring my options whittle down of who to tour with. I only have a couple partners about where I am in the grand scheme. The group "A" type don't necessarily have their spring game or comfort level yet, and usually transition to warmer weather, lower elevation sports anyway. So group sizes shrink further and I move from the fastest to the typically the slowest in the group "B" circles. I tour with these folks the least, because I'm absolutely self conscious of slowing them down to where they can't hit their objectives. I guess I'm siding with Adrenalated here in that I don't think groups should split up on the hill. I can lag on the climb, yeah. But I just rally harder at the transition as to not slow everything down and split up. In my mind it's a safety thing. Even if the route is pretty straightforward, well, shit happens. If I'm on my own and something happens...no bueno. Luckily, a few of these group B'ers are excellent partners and are well aware of my abilities and speed and choose the route accordingly because they like skiing with me. It still weighs heavy on my mind and absolutely don't fuck around on the hill; I don't want to squander the opportunity to ski with them. Plus, it makes time to get us up bigger stuff!

    To group size comments in this thread. I'm most comfortable in groups of 2-4, but have soloed easy stuff, as well as gone out on lower risk/expectation days with bigger groups. But I'm certainly aware of group think. A rule in the last few seasons I've stayed pretty strict to is no more than 5. In my Avy 1, my instructor shared data with us saying statistically the safest groups are 3-5. Mind you, this is safety...this has nothing to do with how fast the group travels, etc. But it basically comes from if someone gets injured, there is always one or two people to go get help if the injured is immobilized. Second, above five people gets into dangerous group-think situations much easier (Tunnel Creek anyone? Etc.). This rule has served me well. The bigger groups are often the group "A" days I described above, where it's often learning time for them on very safe terrain. But I drive it home, and have had to turn interested parties away. That often lets me know how serious they are; aka some I don't hear back from afterwards for later tours.

    Lastly, someone said earlier about not getting blotto the night before. If I show up at the TH and someone says, "I didn't sleep well" or "I tweaked my back in my sleep", I appreciate their honesty, find that reasonable and will almost always accommodate happily. But the folks that are sub-par due to a bender....they don't get the invite call anymore. I mean, why would do that the night before? We ALL have definitely had "memorable" days at the resort after partying hard the night before; that's kinda the fabric of the resort/ski town life. Totally acceptable. But b/c is so, so different with vastly different stakes.

    Anyway.


    Excellent thread.

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    Down here we usually break em off with the first traverse or skin track up the front side. Skinning/climbing/traversing on rock, rime and ice tends to weed em out pretty quickly. It's rare that we have that picture perfect, easy going skin track up through pristine powder. Our mountain stands like a wind beacon rising 7000 feet from the surrounding deserts and the alpine gets hammered, loaded in other places but you gotta get there before you can ski anything worth while. There's some good with the bad for skiing in Arizona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GPP33 View Post
    I’ve just scanned through this thread since last posting but here’s my 2 cents.

    If you get hung up on people’s speed, too fast or too slow, you probably aren’t much fun to ski with.

    If you smoke weed in the BC I’ll still ski with you but I’m not going to put myself in a situation where I might need to count on you to save my ass. I’ll adjust my objectives based on your sobriety.

    The comments about not taking someone somewhere someone else showed you are BS. No one owns the BC, if you have a stash you don’t want people to know about don’t show people. Have fun skiing it alone!

    There seems to be a lot of fear associated with going out with new people. If you don’t know someone set your objectives appropriately. They may be a dud you never ski with again or they may become your best ski partner. At some point you were the new guy, give em a chance.

    Most importantly, you are there to have fun, don’t get so worked up about every detail. Help people when you can, ski powder when you can.
    Well-written, thanks chowder lover. Saving this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyeaster View Post
    that's very kind. thank you. it might be a bridge too far for me to get the splitboard geared up and get to utah but we'll see how it goes. i look forward to seeing some familiar faces and meeting some new ones.
    do i need to dive into the world of sloboarding to get you on board? here’s what your next move should be, get ahold of pipedream and tell him your situation. even on a temporary basis i bet he could help you get that ghey trey functioning uphill.
    fkna i have skins that we could cut&paste to get you going. fuckin rog used to brag on skinny skins with no tail clips on his skishit for the meadow skipping he does.
    ...when Nopostholio heads south to shows you some stuff in your Hood, i’ll have him bring you a few lengths of material and clips, he can show you how to mcgyver em to fit your split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by detuned View Post

    it's either "no shit, i know i'm going slow - thanks for making light of the situation so everybody knows i suck" or as in klar's situation "jesus dude, i'm just out here to have a good time, no need to overly encourage a fit, fully capable, experienced adult who is more than comfortable in this situation and could most likely pass your ass on the way up and lap your ass later in the day"

    i do my best to avoid people who make me feel this way - type "a" go-getters who always seem to have something to prove...i like chill folk the best
    Word. My original post about encouraging words had more to do with that 3pm feeling when you started at daybreak or are on a multi-day. And the value of eating fructose in those situations. Of course people 'see through' encouraging words. It works anyway.

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    i noticed that the night before binger factor can actually help the less speedy in a group. it’s what we locally call the Mofro equalizer. the more he drinks the night before the better chance we have of seeing him on the up once the race had begun. my method of touring with him involved following his trail then watching him ski past then watching him pass me, hopefully close enough to the top so i can again watch him ski. this method has worked well enough that i don’t feel like an anchor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    i noticed that the night before binger factor can actually help the less speedy in a group. it’s what we locally call the Mofro equalizer. the more he drinks the night before the better chance we have of seeing him on the up once the race had begun. my method of touring with him involved following his trail then watching him ski past then watching him pass me, hopefully close enough to the top so i can again watch him ski. this method has worked well enough that i don’t feel like an anchor.
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    my method of touring with him involved following his trail then watching him ski past then watching him pass me, hopefully close enough to the top so i can again watch him ski.
    This all sounds very familiar to many of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    do i need to dive into the world of sloboarding to get you on board? hereís what your next move should be, get ahold of pipedream and tell him your situation. even on a temporary basis i bet he could help you get that ghey trey functioning uphill.
    fkna i have skins that we could cut&paste to get you going. fuckin rog used to brag on skinny skins with no tail clips on his skishit for the meadow skipping he does.
    ...when Nopostholio heads south to shows you some stuff in your Hood, iíll have him bring you a few lengths of material and clips, he can show you how to mcgyver em to fit your split.
    thanks, man. i appreciate those thoughts and will get on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    This all sounds very familiar to many of us.
    so the Mofro equalizer rarely works inbounds without
    supplemental intoxicants encouraged during the day
    even then it is only a slight retartation of skill & speed
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