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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Who is making the argument that the market for skiing in the Northwest is NOT growing? The supply seems to be awfully static.
    I think that is true for the entire continent the last twenty to thirty years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    I'm surprised that John ever agreed to take the meeting.... let some intern from Alterra fly over and take the abuse.
    The WV hill billy Alterra Crystal GM was supposed to be there but there was a death in his family. So John stepped in yesterday. Pretty nice of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Knocker View Post
    I think that is true for the entire continent the last twenty to thirty years.
    Even the Northeast? If so, it's dwarfed by the growth in the PNW. Anyway, it makes no sense to sell based on market viability. Something else is up, maybe a better investment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Knocker View Post
    So John stepped in yesterday. Pretty nice of him.
    Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Even the Northeast? If so, it's dwarfed by the growth in the PNW. Anyway, it makes no sense to sell based on market viability. Something else is up, maybe a better investment?
    In regards to the stagnant skier market for the last forty years

    http://www.nsaa.org/media/303945/visits.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Knocker View Post
    In regards to the stagnant skier market for the last forty years

    http://www.nsaa.org/media/303945/visits.pdf
    Is that just a resort measurement or does it count the people that have left the resorts because the lines have gotten so bad?


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    I would have to believe that it is only a measurement of tickets sold. Given that this is a discussion of a ski area and the finances of that business, the metric would be aplicable. But your point is absolutely spot on regarding the growth of AT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Knocker View Post
    I would have to believe that it is only a measurement of tickets sold. Given that this is a discussion of a ski area and the finances of that business, the metric would be aplicable. But your point is absolutely spot on regarding the growth of AT.
    It's not a particularly significant number in the bigger picture though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Knocker View Post
    In regards to the stagnant skier market for the last forty years

    http://www.nsaa.org/media/303945/visits.pdf
    I'm reading a slight growth in the pnw numbers which only cover the last 22 years while NE seems stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    I'm reading a slight growth in the pnw numbers which only cover the last 22 years while NE seems stable.
    But the customer base is becoming much more demanding. Forty five minute waits in the chair line wasn’t uncommon at Stevens in 1971. Now there would be hell to pay. So that increase in technology, capacity and speed has to be paid somehow. It’s very similar in both time and mechanics how both the music industry ( CD’s) and the ski areas (snowboarding) were hugging themselves and congratulating each other for being smart as their industry grew for reason that had nothing to do with those in charge.

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    The ski areas charge a lot more for day tickets.

    I never remember the Stevens lot being full @ 7:30 before. Alpental chair 2 lines seem a lot bigger, no infrastructure improvements there.

    I just don't understand the motivation for the sale. Maybe JK didn't want to try to float through an El Nino (see 04/05) but long term, there sure seems to be growth here. The Seattle population has exploded with a high percentage of outdoor types too.

    In the case of growth, that doesn't explain a sale.
    In the case of stagnation/decline, that doesn't explain a purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    I just don't understand the motivation for the sale. Maybe JK didn't want to try to float through an El Nino (see 04/05) but long term, there sure seems to be growth here. The Seattle population has exploded with a high percentage of outdoor types too.
    I feel like it has to be he got offered too much money to pass up. Nothing else makes sense to move on so quickly.


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    In a conversation with JK about El Nino years and their impacts on Xtal and other local resorts, he told me with very little sympathy for other resorts' struggles, "if they don't have the money to survive a few bad seasons they have no business being in business."
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    If I lived in WA, Oft would be my realtor. Seriously.

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    Guess snot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oftpiste View Post
    In a conversation with JK about El Nino years and their impacts on Xtal and other local resorts, he told me with very little sympathy for other resorts' struggles, "if they don't have the money to survive a few bad seasons they have no business being in business."
    Well that's telling...
    However, it raises more questions for me then it answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    The ski areas charge a lot more for day tickets.

    I never remember the Stevens lot being full @ 7:30 before. Alpental chair 2 lines seem a lot bigger, no infrastructure improvements there.
    .

    Fast moving chairs put a lot more people in line at the top. Lift lines on ch1 when it was a double were brutal, weekends with LWSC had as many as 30 buses lined up in lot4. Memba when it was an hour + to navigate the old doubles CH1 and CH2 at xtal to get to green valley?
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACH View Post
    Well that's telling...
    However, it raises more questions for me then it answers.
    It was an interesting conversation. The tone was a little bit... um.... dismissive to others' circumstances. Bidness is badness I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    If I lived in WA, Oft would be my realtor. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Knocker View Post
    I think she was mad because they sold to some hill billy from WV
    As a "hill billy" from WV, I'd advise you to keep yer mouth shut unless you wanna be short some teeth, too

    Snowshoe is no joke - it's the closest thing to a real resort the Mid-Atlantic has and it receives significant traffic from DC. Their snowmaking and mountain biking are top-notch, I think you'll find yourself happier year-round eventually...
    "Pay your nickel and take your chances"
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    Quote Originally Posted by pipedream View Post
    As a "hill billy" from WV, I'd advise you to keep yer mouth shut unless you wanna be short some teeth, too.
    Nice banjo.

    A colleague who is involved with CMAC program met with new manager the other day he said he was impressed with the guy's ideas and enthusiasm to get to know about the different communities at the mountain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pipedream View Post
    As a "hill billy" from WV, I'd advise you to keep yer mouth shut unless you wanna be short some teeth
    Just like you?

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    As a "hill billy" from WV, I'd advise you to keep yer mouth shut unless you wanna be short some teeth, too
    You sound like my Couzin, she is short some teef, but her gums are magik. 2nd couzin so its not weird.

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    Like^^^^^
    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    If I lived in WA, Oft would be my realtor. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    You sound like my Couzin, she is short some teef, but her gums are magik. 2nd couzin so its not weird.
    pps.
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    Crystal Mountain Becomes Alterra

    Well this took a turn...
    Lulz


    Snowshoe does have the bike park thing nailed for their region, bringing that to Crystal has some good potential AFAIC.

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    Ned Beatty works in the ticket booth at Snowshoe.

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