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  1. #76
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    I heard rumors of Vail shopping Stevens (or maybe it was Stevens shopping Vail) back in fall of 2014. I can't believe that JK didn't know about it until a few months ago. Maybe Alterra made him an offer that was way too good to refuse? I think the Vail bought Stevens was a convenient excuse.

    I sincerely hope that these mega ski corps do some major upgrades and expansions at these PNW resort in the next decade. We need it badly. It's long overdue.

    Even little things like more off-season brush removal, more thinning/glading, improvements of catch trails for inbounds "side country" will make a huge difference in spreading people out and maximizing the skiable acreage inside a resorts permit area. Harbor resorts never did that stuff when they owned Stevens.

    The new owners (CNL/Mountain High) did a little bit of thinning each summer and it dramatically has improved the experience at Stevens, especially low tide/early season. Hopefully Vail does a LOT more of that next summer. (My insiders said this was a really lame year for any summer projects since the current owners didn't want to do anything before Vail closed on the deal, and at this point Vail doesn't have a lot of time before the snow flies.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    Generally when it snows, all it good. When it doesn't, skier start looking for scapegoats.
    This is a life lesson folks. Get it while and when you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    This is a life lesson folks. Get it while and when you can.
    We're talking about skiing here, yes?
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    it’s about parking i thought
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    It's about a lift from b lot.
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    sure but which’ll be first with covered parking?
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    I think overall capacity needs to be increased. (I've said this hundreds of times.)

    More parking, more inbounds acreage, more thinning/glading, more lifts to more places.

    I'm often baffled by whiny commentators on social media being dismayed that they couldn't find parking Christmas week at Stevens Pass at 10am. If the lots are full, is the rest of the experience going to be any good? My guess would be "no".

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    so... for various reasons I missed buying a pass at spring prices. should I buy an Ikon now? Will Ikon pricing change once the deal's closed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oftpiste View Post
    so... for various reasons I missed buying a pass at spring prices. should I buy an Ikon now? Will Ikon pricing change once the deal's closed?
    I don't think there's any pricing change. There's an awful lot of added language in the publicity about subject or contingent to finalization of transaction though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    Send an email to customer service. I would be shocked if they do not offer a refund.

    Or, just cancel your season pass, and but a Ikon basic.
    You clearly don't know them very well.
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    I suspect more investment towards building hotels and parking lot than trail maintenance... but it may not be such a bad thing for this area to have a destination resort. Even if it doesn’t draw visitors from out of state, if Seattle people do a week during holidays as a staycation because driving is far and sucks, then they made their money back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oftpiste View Post
    You clearly don't know them very well.
    That obvious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmokes View Post
    but it may not be such a bad thing for this area to have a destination resort.
    Disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmokes View Post
    but it may not be such a bad thing for this area to have a destination resort.

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    Agreed, Stevens would be awesome.

    But really, the weather here is way too shitty to support the kind of blue skies and diaphanous powder the uppah crust seeks.
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    I hope the new owners get their ski patrol and avie control act together, that's easy to underestimate if one is coming in fresh.
    The thing is, in my 34 years of ski area, ski patrol and avi experience it is extremely rare for an ownership change to have much effect on the ski patrol and avi programs the 1st year or even 2 unless there was a death involved.

    I am far away in Montana so I don't know the inner workings. Is JK leaving? Or just going to be a non-owner/manager? Is Kim stepping down?

    I am curious because there are rumblings here in Big Sky country as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    The thing is, in my 34 years of ski area, ski patrol and avi experience it is extremely rare for an ownership change to have much effect on the ski patrol and avi programs the 1st year or even 2 unless there was a death involved.

    I am far away in Montana so I don't know the inner workings. Is JK leaving? Or just going to be a non-owner/manager? Is Kim stepping down?

    I am curious because there are rumblings here in Big Sky country as well.
    I believe the term used was "stepping down". Hence my query.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oftpiste View Post
    so... for various reasons I missed buying a pass at spring prices. should I buy an Ikon now? Will Ikon pricing change once the deal's closed?
    you go ikon you may go more Alpy win win
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    Is JK leaving? Is Kim stepping down?
    Yes and yes.

    Stepping completely away is my understanding.

    As is Andrew K.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    you go ikon you may go more Alpy win win
    what does "Limited access, no blackouts:" mean for Snoqualmie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    what does "Limited access, no blackouts:" mean?
    Ikon Base pass

    5 days at Snoqualmie

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    Ah. all I could find was 'up to 5 days'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Yes and yes.

    Stepping completely away is my understanding.

    As is Andrew K.
    That was my next question.

    Who knows, maybe Andrew decided that running a ski area wasn't for him. It does involve a lot of commitment and the rewards as Warren Miller said were, "how to make a small fortune in the ski biz? Start with a large one."

    JK was always a fun guy to have in a room. Best wishes to him and the famdamily.

    Makes me really wonder whats going to happen about 40 miles down south from Bozeman. Like I wrote, there are some signs that change may be in the wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmokes View Post
    I suspect more investment towards building hotels and parking lot than trail maintenance...
    I don't think there is land available, especially for buildings, but even parking lots. Except for a few inholdings dating to patened mining claims, all the land is USFS operated under a special use permit.

    There were pie-in-the-sky plans for a major hotel at the Gold Hill inholding floated in the late 60's, and an even more ambitious plan for a series of hotels up high near Pickhandle Gap and Crown Point which were to be serviced by not one but two gondolas built by the hotel then leased to CM.

    None of that was financially viable, but since the 2004 Master Plan, the potential has been almost totally removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    sure but which’ll be first with covered parking?
    I'm just glad around here there's no need for covered parking to protect from the rain

    Lot4's getting lights, ya hear?!
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    I'm just hoping for a bigger patio umbrella.
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    If I lived in WA, Oft would be my realtor. Seriously.

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