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  1. #51
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    Edited my post... had a drink last night and got mean. Apologies

    I got no beefs against JK himself. I, too, appreciate seeing him on the slopes and in the Elk and generally seeming stoked to be there. Never had a negative interaction with him directly. Others in his entourage have left sour tastes but whatever.

    Please don't take my naive questions about the sale of the place as know-better rhetoricals.

    That being said... with all these for-profit resorts surfing the crazy corporate wave, bouncing around the reefs and cliffs, I increasingly appreciate the Bridger Bowl model of Community Non-profit.

    Carry on
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    It's interesting to me that even the prospect of competing with Stevens post-acquisition was daunting enough to lead them to cash out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post

    That being said... with all these for-profit resorts surfing the crazy corporate wave, bouncing around the reefs and cliffs, I increasingly appreciate the Bridger Bowl model of Community owned, huge profit that gets plowed right back into the area in ways that really do make sense and benefit all the users.

    Carry on
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    I know it can't be easy to replicate but that model really does work, took me about 28 years to realize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    I wonder if there was something he saw in the season pass sales this year that gave him the willies? I find it difficult to believe that their could be such a big jump in them... given Steven's current crowding, parking and traffic issues..
    ditto. Maybe there's some nuance to the marketing regarding local versus nonlocal, e.g. the Crustal tack was to target vacationers? Stevens has been untenable for years for us due to US2 fustercluck, parking, etc.

    On the other hand, there have been a number of customer service fumbles @ Crustal, including the changes in under 11 passes and a variety of other individual situations that could have been handled with more aplomb.

    When did Steven's get bought by Vail? Would it have showed up in previous years sales too?
    Announced in June, closed August 15, 2018.

    http://news.vailresorts.com/corporat...spassclose.htm
    I'm sure plenty of people will love the whole Ikon deal and it's vacation benefits... it's not very attractive to me right now. And how it's been communicated is shameful... and I still think borderline illegal if they don't make more than right for those who've now overpaid.
    How they handle the pass price discrepancy will be telling. It won't be hard to improve on customer relations.

    I'm sure there will be some humps in the road with new management... maybe some existing humps will be smoothed out - a functional management structure would be a start. Also curious who will take over as head of patrol.

    .. and... Hopefully our new corporate overlords won't put the squeeze on the Alpine Inn/Elk ownership group. I don't want that place run by a ski mega corp and have it Disneyfied.
    I hope that the new boss understands the value of diversity. My hopes are not high, but let's see what they do.
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    For some reason I thought the Vail/Stevens deal was earlier than that.

    Difficult to see there could be any sign in the numbers yet then.

    Marketing Crystal to vacationers seems like it'd be only small $ benefit at best. Given the lack of accommodation and non skiing activities. Boom town Puget Sound is their market and an easy one, I'd have thought. Better customer care, consistency would go a long way and is easy, cheap... they've definitely not helped themselves recently with that.. for instance the on and off again spring skiing really pissed off a lot of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    For some reason I thought the Vail/Stevens deal was earlier than that.

    Difficult to see there could be any sign in the numbers yet then.
    It may have been, but June is the earliest announcement I could find. Yahwah knows how long it's been in the works.
    But yeah, I'm not following the rationale presented and by this time, I feel a little justified in being a little skeptical of brand rationalizations.

    fwiw, I have had first hand very poor customer relations where my request was met with literally having a customer comment sheet thrown at me. I am not alone in this type of experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    the on and off again spring skiing really pissed off a lot of people.
    thoughts&prayers they return to normal spring operations because the southern resort migration to the padded seats was almost unmanageable up our bumpy road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    It may have been, but June is the earliest announcement I could find. Yahwah knows how long it's been in the works.
    But yeah, I'm not following the rationale presented and by this time, I feel a little justified in being a little skeptical of brand rationalizations.

    fwiw, I have had first hand very poor customer relations where my request was met with literally having a customer comment sheet thrown at me. I am not alone in this type of experience.
    There was a noticable amount of penny pinching going on this year too.. I had wondered if there was a hint of regret, nervousness about the purchase from Boyne behind that.

    We will see what happens now..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    There was a noticable amount of penny pinching going on this year too.. I had wondered if there was a hint of regret, nervousness about the purchase from Boyne behind that.

    We will see what happens now..
    Runout grooming was bad. I blame the umbrella.
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    i expect wall to wall grooming of the highest caliber
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    Maybe they'll have better moguls now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    i expect wall to wall grooming of the highest caliber
    We could start with a turd free Snow Lake trail, huh?
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    So I just heard from a credible source that the whole announcement was put up on the web prematurely by alterra's web "guru"... hence the lack of information.

    Hmmmmm.

    Would explain quite a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    So I just heard from a credible source that the whole announcement was put up on the web prematurely by alterra's web "guru"... hence the lack of information.

    Hmmmmm.

    Would explain quite a bit.
    Daniels latest job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Daniels latest job?
    Box fan and door ajar level guru.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    You going to visit?

    Good news.
    I always do. Usually early season east peak or southback before the lifts open. Can't remember the last time I was motivated to buy a lift ticket. If spring operations start again I'd have no problem giving them my money

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    Best news is hearing that bitch is out of job. And crystal can only do better customer service. It canít get any worse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tmokes View Post
    It can’t get any worse.


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    Lifts running often before 9:00 was great.

    I hope the new owners get their ski patrol and avie control act together, that's easy to underestimate if one is coming in fresh.
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    If you guys want some free hot chocolate coupons, let me know. I've got some peeps on the inside. Look on the bright side, I have how added Ski-attle to my farewatcher. Buster talks about some kind of SnotPuckerZappaSnatcherGigglePuke storm skiing which is apparently legendary.

    In all seriousness, my ski area employee friends (mostly patrol and ops but some management) have nothing but good things to say about Alterra's focus on skiing and willingness to spend money on skiing. I think the Aspen crowd says the same thing.

    Of course, to be determined. Generally when it snows, all it good. When it doesn't, skier start looking for scapegoats.

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    The fall balers, howler graupel blasts that are among the best storm skiing ever.

    Make one, you owe it to yourself, both Crustal and Alpy.

    This year is supposedly an El Nino which is normally bad for us.

    On the other hand, SEA<->ZRH just dropped below $500.
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    On the other hand, SEA<->ZRH just dropped below $500
    New Google Flights blows so I haven't been doing my normal recon. My travel budget and prior commitments preclude Euro skiing this year but hey...there are always lottery tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    New Google Flights blows so I haven't been doing my normal recon.
    Kayak works gud fer me.

    My travel budget and prior commitments preclude Euro skiing this year but hey...there are always lottery tickets.
    With the El Nino forcast, I may lurk more down SWCO way; will ping when.
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    I think he is on to something with the pass issue. I live in N seattle, it is a wash time wise crystal vs stevens, though coming home from stevens can really suck. Parking isn't an issue if you get either place early. Summit and crystal on a joined pass sounds interesting, but so does stevens and whistler.

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    I get it...
    I can imagine that cutting ties with family holdings also meant losing a safety net of sorts.
    It's one thing if you are a ski area who has a bad season that is owned by a conglomerate, it's another if you are a freestanding entity.
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