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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit Man View Post
    However, Crystal hasn’t cornered the Weatern WA market on cars and drivers who shouldn’t be in the mountains when it snows.
    I would speculate that I-90 gives the 410/CMBlvd a run for its money. You wouldn't believe the Alpental access road shit show yesterday, it made for some pretty cringe worthy entertainment at the bottom of chair 1 while we waited for a delayed opening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACH View Post
    I would speculate that I-90 gives the 410/CMBlvd a run for its money.
    ^ absolutely this.
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    There's 2 levers: the FS as your public rep and the almighty $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACH View Post
    Alpental access road shit show yesterday
    Ha, yes. Fave was the shuttle bus, chained up, digging down to dirt. So many good slomo crashes with crescendo from the peanut gallery. School of hard knocks... cmon, retards.

    Some satisfying performances from little chained up hatches. The awd Tesla made the exit easily, too.
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    God Damn, this thread is soul-crushing.

    Grew up in Bel-Kirk in '70s-'80s, cut teeth on I90, really learned to SKI @ Steve & Alpy.
    Sooooooo many great days ( and a few crummy ones...) sooooo many great memories.

    Really didn't get a huge number of days @ Xtal, but when we ventured South, it was typically fabulous...

    Moved to Whatcom Co. 20 yrs ago. Still have a soft spot for Steve/Alpy, but pretty rare to get down that way, with kiddo learning his chops @ Baker.

    I occasionally fantasize of midweek missions to Xtal (or Stevy) on deeeep, special days.

    But reading this, I wonder if I should let those dreams go...
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    speaking of dreams, i want a model X
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    Jesus wept, thank fuck I got out there Friday... I'll take 40 knot gusts and a mild cold over this crap any day.

    Echoing what someone said last page, I've been following my usual code of "avoid Saturdays at all costs," even on other days I've definitely noticed more traffic and fuller lots than last year... but I haven't felt that on the hill itself. I basically just don't go into the lodges for more than water, are people just posting up in them all day or something? So many cars but the runs seem the same. Haven't known what to make of it.

    Also Buster, I appreciate where you're going with all this but as a dirtbag in a hand-me-down 2WD sedan, c'mon man, don't screw me over here... the road is rarely worse than the drivers... I've always been impressed with how well they plow it given some of the circumstances, and have gotten the sense that 90 is wildly worse. Getting up there after snowpocalypse was the only time I remember things being truly white-knuckle (though that was a wednesday, and nobody was around, so there's that.)

    Short-term for weekends, if I were them I'd try to set up some kind of mega-lot in Enumclaw and bus people up from there, temp lease and chain up the local school buses or something, make it free or like $5 so people actually do it. I'd probably be fine with using that personally, the drive up usually stresses me out anyway, even on weekdays (tangent, but my fantasy is just a few road widenings to make some three-lane passing sections; it'd be nice to allow the conga line to at least redistribute itself. Sucks when you're 5 cars back from the inevitable slowpoke with the weird braking habits, especially when it's nice out.)

    As far as the passes are concerned, yeah, I skied crystal anyway but getting ikon in May was clearly the deal to be had, so things worked out in my favor. I've got little insight as to the greater math here. Greater expense isn't going to keep these hordes away, if there's anything I've noticed about the young seattle bourgoisie it's that they love spending money on dumb stuff they use twice. My hypothesis is that a lot of these pass sales might be this, the techie version of an unused gym membership purchased just after New Years'. Definitely dreading these infastructure improvements but they also strike me as immaterial in regards to numbers. And like I said the cars in the lots on shitshow saturdays (did one or two last year) just don't seem to account for the relatively quiet mountain, that equation has never really added up to me... moral of the story, I'm spoiled rotten skiing this hill, even on shit days, the problem is indeed the road and the parking. But they've definitely fucked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    The awd Tesla made the exit easily, too.
    When properly equipped, they're absolute monsters in the snow.

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    My predictions… the RV lot is much smaller next year and they start charging for parking if you don’t carpool. And more Honey Buckets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afkpuz View Post
    Also Buster, I appreciate where you're going with all this but as a dirtbag in a hand-me-down 2WD sedan, c'mon man, don't screw me over here... the road is rarely worse than the drivers... I've always been impressed with how well they plow it given some of the circumstances, and have gotten the sense that 90 is wildly worse. Getting up there after snowpocalypse was the only time I remember things being truly white-knuckle (though that was a wednesday, and nobody was around, so there's that.), I'm spoiled rotten skiing this hill, even on shit days, the problem is indeed the road and the parking. But they've definitely fucked up.
    It's all about whether people give a shit about one another.

    You can afford chains and the time to put them on, otherwise, you and a bunch of other people are just saying fuck you to everyone else.

    If the sign say chains required, there's a reason.

    And I really do think their road maintenance by Alterra has been orders worse than by Kircher or even by the board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afkpuz View Post
    Jesus wept... 2WD sedan... c'mon man, the road is rarely worse than the drivers... the drive up usually stresses me out... the inevitable slowpoke...
    Like I said 87.27%
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    And I propose a crowd sourced gallows somewhere near Sand Flats where we can hang the bodies of bus drivers who use the downhill lane to pass stopped traffic?
    Hear hear. My wife nearly went apoplectic when I told her about that.
    Hopefully the last couple of weekends of traffic just fade into an unpleasant memory instead of becoming the new normal.
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    Alterra needs a weekend watching WSDOT maintain SR542 during/after a storm for the weekends at Baker. I can't recall many days where you couldn't get up that road in a RWD pickup with 3/32 tread on some all seasons.

    One of the other issues with CMB is everyone is stopped on the road waiting to go into a parking lot. There has got to be a system to keep all of the vehicles moving forward as long as there is available parking. Kind of like boarding an airplane from back to front (eh, bad example but you get the idea).

    If you really want to "fix" the problem, and no one is going to like this, but single occupancy vehicles that aren't employees are $100 to turn up the blvd. Double occupancy $50, and 3+ is free. Force people to carpool or at least group up in Enumclaw.

    I used to be of the "just get up and leave at 4am", which I have done. But now having a little one to deal with, that just isn't as easy as it used to be so opting to just stay home on weekend powder days is the new norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridinshockgun View Post
    I can't recall many days where you couldn't get up that road in a RWD pickup with 3/32 tread on some all seasons..
    87.27%...

    Single occupancy vehicles that aren't employees are $100 to turn up the blvd. Double occupancy $50, and 3+ is free.
    Have you ever seen how long the line gets at the toll booth for Sunrise on a busy summer weekend... it can be over an hour wait to get though the toll booth.

    You want that at the base of the blvd?

    Force people to carpool or at least group up in Enumclaw.
    Force people to ride share with strangers and then coordinate their departure with same car pool back down or would you have to organize a second down hill car pool separately at the end of day?

    Would I have to car pool with guy on bald tires in RWD truck or a hand me down 2WD sedan?
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    Armchair quarterbacking is great isn't it? You get to have all the ideas and never have to implement them.

    No need for a toll booth - It can be like good to go, just charges a toll based on how many Ikon passes it detects in the car

    I'm guilty of single occupancy driving a lot but not afraid to admit that it is a big problem. Not really implying to find a stranger and partner up but while it may not make sense to carpool from Seattle or Tacoma or Everett or wherever but it could make sense to meet in Enumclaw, Glacier, Sultan, North Bend etc for the final drive up the hill.

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    So it might be cost effective to buy three Ikon passes so as to avoid the $100 solo vehicle charge.
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    Oh, Alterra is going to love this idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridinshockgun View Post
    One of the other issues with CMB is everyone is stopped on the road waiting to go into a parking lot.
    Have you seen this first-hand?

    (Not trying to call you out - I was guessing this was a big part of the traffic issues, since we saw the plow headed to F lot after 9am two separate days over the last two weekends. I asked the friendly employee in A lot yesterday and they just blamed it on "the weather".)
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    What used to work was a WHP at the mouth of the blvd on storm days checking for appropriate traction. Typically, 2wd cars had to chain up so there would be a lot of cars doing what they were supposed to.

    Now I know it's convenient to blender this in with the occupancy issue, but it's not an issue of occupancy, it's an issue of traction and giving a shit about other people.

    As far as Alterra Management, it's not the weather, it's a lack of planning, Like requesting WHP at the mouth of the blvd, And sanding the road before 6 am. You know, like they used to before the fashion of stockholders being more important than clients or customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fullStack View Post
    we saw the plow headed to F lot after 9am two separate days over the last two weekends.
    They were running the grader over F lot both mornings this weekend before 7.00 as I drove past.

    So yes the 9.00 a.m. plow will very probably have been due to...

    "the weather".)
    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    What used to work was a WHP at the mouth of the blvd on storm days checking for appropriate traction. Typically, 2wd cars had to chain up so there would be a lot of cars doing what they were supposed to.

    Now I know it's convenient to blender this in with the occupancy issue, but it's not an issue of occupancy, it's an issue of traction and giving a shit about other people.

    As far as Alterra Management, it's not the weather, it's a lack of planning, Like requesting WHP at the mouth of the blvd, And sanding the road before 6 am. You know, like they used to before the fashion of stockholders being more important than clients or customers.
    The mountain was complaining that this was up to WSP over the weekend... however there are plenty of events and businesses that pay for off duty cops to control traffic.
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    Someone could always pick up BeardMech, he's a nice guy, won't stink up your vehicle and it would be safer for him than the suicide bus driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    The mountain was complaining that this was up to WSP over the weekend... however there are plenty of events and businesses that pay for off duty cops to control traffic.
    Right. Sure. Up to WSP. Uh huh. It didn't cross their little minds. After 2 all time bad weekends of this. Selling more than 3x the record number of passes. I hope people get up in their grill about selling services not reasonably available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    It's all about whether people give a shit about one another.

    You can afford chains and the time to put them on, otherwise, you and a bunch of other people are just saying fuck you to everyone else.

    If the sign say chains required, there's a reason.

    And I really do think their road maintenance by Alterra has been orders worse than by Kircher or even by the board.
    Got the chains (and a bunch of other "just in case" stuff.) In fairness it's been quite some time and I should probably practice. And I will also admit that the place has me spoiled. We're lucky; it's not super cold here like in NH or something, road salt generally works, we don't have the situations where you just have to keep salting 2 inches of sheet ice for days on end and hoping for the best (years ago I drove the road into the Grand Canyon and it was like 50 miles of this, doesn't have to be New England, just has to stay cold as hell.) That's the stuff that really scares the crap out of me, so knowing it's not there does probably incline me towards some hubris. If we had that kind of ice I'd probably need to find some other way up.

    This is a bit oblique to the greater topic but in my defense when I think of crappy driving the first thing that really comes to mind is following distance, which I do have quite a bit of religion about. The whole situation is pretty terrible for this on the way up on a crowded day, if the lots back up it's hard to avoid stacking... but what gets me is how close people will tail you when they do have the choice. That's is the selfish and dangerous part I see every time: people not giving the person ahead any room for error. Doesn't matter what you're personally driving. You don't know how old their tires are.

    Anyway call me an asshole if you want, I can understand. But I do know my car isn't exactly ideal for this stuff; I've got what I've got, hoping to keep it for another 100k, in the snow I'm thankful it's at least got some weight to it (and good new tires, thank fuck for those,) and I'm plenty cautious when called for. And like I said, if there were a cheap shuttle from Enumclaw or a carpool system down there or something I'd probably take it, especially when the road is shitty, but thinking more on it, maybe even when it's just busy. Sounds kinda nice to just throw some headphones in and zone out for 45mins rather than showing up to the hill trying to wind down from a commute. That said I'm not sure a lot of other people think like that, and alterra is clearly making money, so 5-10 bucks or less in order for it to entice people, I'd guess.

    Point being they could choose to punish people like me, or give them a better option, and I'm rather obviously inclined towards the latter. So c'mon, man. Shutting guys like me out doesn't stop the moneyed hordes.* The road is the problem here.

    As far as maintenance, things have looked pretty much the same to me, but I haven't paid much attention so I'll defer to you in that regard.

    *I guess the tech bubble popping might though

    Quote Originally Posted by ridinshockgun View Post
    One of the other issues with CMB is everyone is stopped on the road waiting to go into a parking lot. There has got to be a system to keep all of the vehicles moving forward as long as there is available parking. Kind of like boarding an airplane from back to front (eh, bad example but you get the idea).

    If you really want to "fix" the problem, and no one is going to like this, but single occupancy vehicles that aren't employees are $100 to turn up the blvd. Double occupancy $50, and 3+ is free. Force people to carpool or at least group up in Enumclaw.
    I think I have seen them direct people to specific lots etc on crowded days, but not sofar this year... that said, you're right, I hate this but it would work. People would need a place to make the carpooling or a shuttle or whatever happen. Again, some kinda big lot in Enumclaw or something. I wonder what relationship they've got with the city anyway... do they have one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fullStack View Post
    Have you seen this first-hand?
    Can vouch, definitely seen this. I don't have insight as to why - you'd think it'd be the release valve, logically, so long as more than one lot is open - but I have seen it and been baffled by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    selling services not reasonably available.
    They're planning on giving the 100 people turned around on 410 most times this year a free Ikon pass.
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