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  1. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    You think your phone really messes with it if it's in airplane mode? Sorry, different thread?
    Interested in this, too. I use my phone for photos in airplane mode when I tour. Rarely have cell coverage where I tour.

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    Any source of transient frequency is a source of potential interference:

    "Your cell, particularly if it’s a smartphone, gives off a significant amount of competing noise when it’s on and the screen is illuminated. If you think that setting your phone to airplane mode is enough to cut noise, think again. Airplane mode does not significantly alter the amount of electronic noise the phone gives off. Hold a phone set to airplane mode too close to a searching beacon, and your numbers will be affected as much as if the phone were fully “on.”

    https://backcountryaccess.com/electr...your-beacon-2/

    So, phone in airplane mode is still a potential source of interference and not a good idea.

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    Thanks. So I shouldnít keep the phone near Prince Albert!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    How many pants people also use a stretchy arcade belt?
    Pretty easy for your beacon to end up at your ankles.
    Yep, the Arcade makes pantsing very possible with or without beacon in a pocket.

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    I got a new pair of ski pants last season that allowed me to move the beacon from the chest harness to a dedicated beacon pocket on my right leg and don't think I'll ever go back. I feel safer knowing it's further from my phone and radio (which are usually in the chest pocket of my jacket and in my backpack), and it's infinitely more comfortable to have it out of the way of my backpack and radio and jacket zippers. The only thing I don't like about it is that I wear softshell pants on most days, and carry a pair of hardshells that I throw on top when I'm really getting wet. My hardshells don't have a good place to put the beacon, so the beacon ends up burried under the hardshells. I've tested how long it takes me to get the beacon out from under the hardshells and it's not a huge delay, but would be happier if it weren't under two zippers.

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    Right pants pocket. Far and away the most comfortable for me. Phone in left chest pocket >24" from beacon.

    For all of the reasons above: pants stay on, jackets come off or get unzipped. I'm much faster with this system. One zipper; beacon is at normal hand height for removal and goes right to waist height for search. This last point isn't a big deal, but it is, in practice, very natural.

    I back it up to my belt (static climbing webbing) but I like the idea of another backup. Will investigate that this season.

    And +1 to batteries are cheap. I now travel with a spare set and remove the batteries at the end of every day to check for corrosion/leakage.

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    I attach my beacon to my penis, because Im really proficient at whipping it out and my hands naturally want to rest there. Besides, if Im in a slide where I lose my penis, I question whether I really want to survive anyway.

    Different strokes and all that.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    lulz

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    Inside or outside the cup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Inside or outside the cup?
    New invention: Integrated transceiver/cup! You could make MILLIONS!!!

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    You are far more likely to suffer abdominal trauma from a beacon next to your ribs than have your pants pulled off (not down, but OFF) in an avalanche. The former also applies to a regular fall when skiing, which is also way more likely than getting caught in a slide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    New invention: Integrated transceiver/cup! You could make MILLIONS!!!
    I don't know if I want to encourage probing around my groin area.

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    That's the reason for the cup.

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    Phone in airplane: you should be PRACTICING with your equipment the way you tour. Hit the beacon park with your other electronic goodies. Try it without. See a problem? Is there
    a difference? That is how you tell if your particular phone interferes with your particular beacon and in what mode and at what proximity. Far more definitive than internet prognostications.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    Of course. It was warm. Seems to me that beacons are outside all layers the majority of the time while ascending. It's one of many reasons I've converted to beacon in the pocket.
    Same here

    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    You are far more likely to suffer abdominal trauma from a beacon next to your ribs than have your pants pulled off (not down, but OFF) in an avalanche. The former also applies to a regular fall when skiing, which is also way more likely than getting caught in a slide.
    Agreed
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    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    Any source of transient frequency is a source of potential interference:

    "Your cell, particularly if it’s a smartphone, gives off a significant amount of competing noise when it’s on and the screen is illuminated. If you think that setting your phone to airplane mode is enough to cut noise, think again. Airplane mode does not significantly alter the amount of electronic noise the phone gives off. Hold a phone set to airplane mode too close to a searching beacon, and your numbers will be affected as much as if the phone were fully “on.”

    https://backcountryaccess.com/electr...your-beacon-2/

    So, phone in airplane mode is still a potential source of interference and not a good idea.
    I get that anything with electric current in it could be a source of EMI, but a lit LED screen really produces very little. And if my phone is in my pocket, the screen's gonna be off. There's actually ambient light sensors on your phone to help keep the screen off and not pocket dial people. Or at least there should be. I know there's a setting for it on Samsungs. I haven't pocket dialed anyone in years, but my name starts with A, so I get them a lot.
    Remember, your phone is running off some pretty low DC power. I really don't see how if your phone isn't searching for service that it could be giving off much noise. Maybe someone with a better physics or engineering background can fill me in.
    8" seems easy enough though. I don't think I've ever had my phone anywhere near as close as that.

    Edit to add: I'm also well aware that a phone in Airplane Mode can still use it's WiFi antennae. Especially on airplanes nowadays.
    No longer stuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Just an uneducated guess.

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    ^^ Hence separating them a couple of feet away from each other and should be good to go. Transceiver in a harness, phone in pants cargo pocket or vice versa and should be okay. Although, as someone pointed out above, practice in the same mode as you ski and experiment a bit to see if there's impact or what proximity produces impact, then you'll know for sure.

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    I tried a strap on harness for a little while, but it was too bulky, thus the Prince Albert! Nipple ring attachment was too painful

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    I prefer to cook my bacon in the oven. Itís more crisp and less mess
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    So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....


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