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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cravenmorhead View Post
    Chest harness, I don't like climbing with much hardware in my pants pockets due to thunder thigh syndrome.
    This. Maybe I should do less squats, yeah fuck that. Hate anything in my pants pockets. Wear the harness over my base layer slung so the beacon rides more under my left pec muscle about 2 ribs down. Just takes two quick down zips of outer shell and insulation layer to access it. It may take me a millisecond longer to access it than a pant pocket carry but I have yet to see it.

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    Chest harness.

    Peoples jackets and pants have been ripped off in avalanches. I'm not aware of a chest harness being ripped off in an avalanche (not one where the person survived anyway). I don't want to be digging for you, and risking other people's lives, only to find your pants.

    Phone powered off in pants right leg cargo pocket.
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    the situation strikes me as WAY too much drama at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by reckless toboggan View Post
    Peoples jackets and pants have been ripped off in avalanches. I'm not aware of a chest harness being ripped off in an avalanche (not one where the person survived anyway)..
    Are there any pants torn off survivors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Are there any pants torn off survivors?
    Yup. Pants ripped to shreded on rocks and tree trunks (as far as we could tell, got sieved through a zone with blowdown) but buddy survived.
    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    the situation strikes me as WAY too much drama at this point

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    Donít people ski naked anymore?!

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    I donít give a beacon harness exposed outside of a base layer any better odds of staying on than my pants in an avalanche. I am also often in the situation of a radio worn on my chest so the beacon goes in the pants.
    Iíll just have to start attaching it to my climbing harness by two pieces of dyneema.


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  7. #32
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    Personal preference. Just make sure you develop good habits around use. I'm a chest harness guy to I were pants not bibs and can't remember skiing in a base layer only. That said, I think a lot of harnesses suck. The old F1s with the strap system connected to the on button were the best.

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    For example, with my DSP, I can't see the light that indicated "on/send" when the beacon is in the harness. This combined with the beacons reputation to slide to "search" inadvertently and the fact that I was a long time Tracker user bugs the shit outta me.

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    The old F1s with the strap system connected to the on button were the best.
    Truth.

    On 3-4 occasions I have been ready to start into hazardous terrain and found that I had forgotten to on switch. Where I work now there are beacon checkers you must pass before entering avy terrain. It is an ingrained habit to get a beep from them every time you walk past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    Truth.

    On 3-4 occasions I have been ready to start into hazardous terrain and found that I had forgotten to on switch. Where I work now there are beacon checkers you must pass before entering avy terrain. It is an ingrained habit to get a beep from them every time you walk past.
    Truth x 2

    It's so easy to get complacent about this.. and to forgo a group beacon test with a "you're beeing right?" I try and stick firmly to it being turned on whenever on my person (usually in pants) and not turning it off until I am absolutely not skiing again for the day.

    Batteries are cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    ...The old F1s with the strap system connected to the on button were the best.
    those straps were weightless if you could keep them flat

    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    Where I work now there are beacon checkers you must pass before entering avy terrain
    saw my first checker ever for a lift load at your home hill

    i pieps strap; straps aren't bad, but the bag is ridiculously over engineered - to much material - imo

    Tried the leg thing - no likey - and i have trouble keeping my pants on
    "knowledgeable in escapades of the flesh"

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    It's so easy to get complacent about this.. and to forgo a group beacon test with a "you're beeing right?"
    Just be that guy. I'm that guy. If you don't like that guy, fuck you. Go ski touring with someone else. A true beacon check has huge safety benefits and is a great way to check everyone's attitude regarding group safety. This is hugely important in side country and informal group situations where people may have different protocols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    This is hugely important in side country and informal group situations
    ^ Yep.

    Just the different dynamic of that side country situation compared to "a ski tour" with the trail head organization, faffing around and the opportunity to do one as you start out skinning.
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    faffing...salopettes...crumpets

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    We should probably all be better about trailhead beacon checks. Reminder for this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    salopettes...
    Like finger nails down a blackboard.. I hate that word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    We should probably all be better about trailhead beacon checks. Reminder for this season.
    Just make it non-negotiable. Be that guy. If you get flack, find new people to tour with. My advise...the first person goes a 100'ish up the skin track and turns his beacon to "search". The rest of the group proceeds by one at a time. Last guy checks first guy. Done.

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    If you don't have a ski uniform a chest harness is an easier memory device. It's also slightly more protected, or at least if it takes a heavy hit, so do you. I also think skiing down a debris field searching an avalanche is easier from my chest harness than it would be from my thigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    Just make it non-negotiable. Be that guy. If you get flack, find new people to tour with. My advise...the first person goes a 100'ish up the skin track and turns his beacon to "search". The rest of the group proceeds by one at a time. Last guy checks first guy. Done.
    I like that method. Not an issue with peeps I ski with, just habits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    the first person goes a 100'ish up the skin track and turns his beacon to "search". The rest of the group proceeds by one at a time. Last guy checks first guy.
    we do that every mid-winter tour

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    If you don't have a ski uniform a chest harness is an easier memory device. It's also slightly more protected, or at least if it takes a heavy hit, so do you. I also think skiing down a debris field searching an avalanche is easier from my chest harness than it would be from my thigh.
    Thigh?

    Front, waist, crotch pocket.. not a cargo or hip pocket.

    I've not noticed any problem searching using that.

    Actually the opposite..

    Anyway.. The pros and cons of either are so minimal in the bigger decision making picture that it's not worth worrying about..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Front, waist, crotch pocket.. not a cargo or hip pocket.

    I've not noticed any problem searching using that.
    searching a beacon field? or skiing down a shitty debris field? I'm stating my experience with the latter - where having something centered on the body near the face was nice - and other things and it's just an opinion.

    I agree with your last line, I mostly think these arguments signalling for people who think they are cool for aping what pros do.

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    Pro Tip: Put a Koozy over the beacon if you keep it in your pants pocket so it doesn't wear a hole through the pocket.

    Pants pocket: more secure when you're skinning in just a shirt (as is typical), more comfortable, easier access, one less thing and less weight. Can't imagine going back to a harness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reckless toboggan View Post
    Yup. Pants ripped to shreded on rocks and tree trunks (as far as we could tell, got sieved through a zone with blowdown) but buddy survived.
    Buried?
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    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kootenayskier View Post
    The theory that youíre easier to find and quicker to resuscitate if youíre wearing a chest harness isnít based on any evidence that Iíve seen, and is intuitively of potentially only minor benefit in very specific situations (and may be detrimental in others).
    Face harness or die!
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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