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  1. #3751
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    OFFICIAL TAHOE 18/19 STOKE, CONDITIONS, WEATHER THREAD

    Completely stupid they are replacing Hotwheels before replacing Red Dog. Can't imagine any actual construction will be going on while operations still going on part of the mtn. Seems partially a bit of a money hold excuse

    I was just thinking of the new hot wheels a couple weeks ago when it and round house were the only things running due to wind. I think the new ridgetop placement will get shut down whenever summit does due to wind and there will only be round house available which will be a bummer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shred Baron View Post
    Those towers and foundations aren’t sufficient for the new lift (cross arms absolutely aren’t wide enough for the chair width increase). So towers need to be removed. Even if you hoped to reuse towers, you have to start by pull testing all towers to 110% new load, and if they don’t pass you either get to scramble to engineer a way to add to the foundation, or replace the whole thing. Not something you want to do in June, when you’re supposed to be done in November.
    Ah, okay, figured you would know. So how about ground temp and pouring the foundation for the poles? Does it need to warm up first or doesn't really matter? I know you generally don't want to pour a house foundation during colder months so figured it would be the same. Although I guess just removing the old towers will take some time and it will be warm by the time they're ready for the new ones.

    Disagree with you Mike - I'd much rather ride Red Dog as it is than Hot Wheels. I mean, yeah, they should really replace both but one is better than nothing. I have to admit, overall, since Andy Wirth got the boot (oh, I mean "stepped down") and KSL became part of Alterra, they seem to have their shit together finally. I've been fairly impressed with ops overall this season, especially with all of the big storms. Seemed like Solitude ran a lot more often than the past several years. The hand-wringing over carpool parking turned out to be much ado about nothing, really. Sucks Alpine will close early but hard to get too upset when Squaw (and Mammoth) will be open months longer than everyone else.

    (having said all that, fuck the village proposal, still)
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  3. #3753
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    OFFICIAL TAHOE 18/19 STOKE, CONDITIONS, WEATHER THREAD

    I wouldn't go so far as saying they got their shit together but things are relatively better than the low, low bar set by Wirthless
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    The very reliable source I talked to at Alpine said that they needed to not just dig out the towers, they need to plow away a whole bunch of snow to allow access for construction equipment to get in there in May. They are completely removing the old Hot Wheels, possibly to be repurposed elsewhere. Initially they were talking about closing that side of the mountain early April, so the 21st is a bit better.

    As to the new Hot Wheels lift being more susceptible to wind, that will only affect the upper section. The lower section will be able to run independently on windy day. A four minute ride on storm days will be much better than a 13 minute ride.

    The post above indicates the last weekend for Alpine is May 19th. BA's report today indicated weekends until the 27th. Hope thats correct as I need to catch up on skiing since I have been out since March 17th with a busted shoulder.

    Either way, far better than Rose's early close date...skipping that pass next year. Fuckers. I need to learn to deal with skiing Squaw late season.

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    Well, concrete won’t start for a while. They may want to remove towers while there’s snow. You can just drop em, and drag them out (unless they want to use/sell it like G2A says they might.) but really by the time they start pouring, it won’t be super cold, exposed ground may not be too frozen, but they would need to blanket the concrete after pouring. Full disclosure, I do build ski lifts, but I’m not involved with this project.


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    Concreting in Tahoe in April is not a problem. Montana in January is another story...
    But then you aren't supposed to dig a hole until May 1st...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony3 View Post
    Concreting in Tahoe in April is not a problem. Montana in January is another story...
    Good to know... I should start clearing snow then for the footings for my new side deck. Figured I would just have to wait until late May or so.

    On that note, anyone have any contractor friends who might be interested in a deck project in Tahoe Donner sooner than later?

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    I need a deck rebuild too. If I get any names soon I'll pass em along

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    Pretty sure red dog is on hold until gondola plan is finalized, as gondola placement might affect red dog placement. Looks like option 4 starts right where red dog base is currently.
    As to hot wheels running in winds, that ridge is way more protected than where summit is, so I would think it could run quite a bit when summit is closed, though probably not as protected as roundhouse. I also think having a lift there might make it more feasible for sherwood to run when it's windy, as it wouldn't be an isolated lift when scott and lakeview can't run. But not sure about winds only shutting down access to the top and still allowing the lower part to run, that would require a totally separate cable and some sort of complex midstation to join the top and bottom.
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    And sick pic with the water, TahoeBC
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    OFFICIAL TAHOE 18/19 STOKE, CONDITIONS, WEATHER THREAD

    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    Completely stupid they are replacing Hotwheels before replacing Red Dog. Can't imagine any actual construction will be going on while operations still going on part of the mtn. Seems partially a bit of a money hold excuse

    I was just thinking of the new hot wheels a couple weeks ago when it and round house were the only things running due to wind. I think the new ridgetop placement will get shut down whenever summit does due to wind and there will only be round house available which will be a bummer
    I don’t know AM well, and the winds during storms, but the new hot wheels top station is a lot lower than Summit, and in a tree line. Wouldn’t that offer a lot more protection that summit ridge off Ward?

    Am considering an IKON to extend our season. Kind of bummed about the AM closure. Wanted to bring my son there. I did not expect more than Summit running, but if you can’t ski to the right past ABC, it kind of limits options for touring him around.

    G2A website says weekend till May 27. Edit. That was what I read earlier. But now read 19th. And that math does not make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmmm...pow! View Post
    But not sure about winds only shutting down access to the top and still allowing the lower part to run, that would require a totally separate cable and some sort of complex midstation to join the top and bottom.
    Because there is a turn at the mid-station, thats how it operates. The cable cannot operate around the turn, so it is two separate systems. Its the same way the proposed ganjola would work...or just like the Collins lift at Alta.

    Details about the project are here at Placer County... https://www.placer.ca.gov/DocumentCe...ime-PDF?bidId=

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    like the gondola at Mammoth works at McCoy station.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Disagree with you Mike - I'd much rather ride Red Dog as it is than Hot Wheels.
    Yup. That's if hot wheels goes all the way to ridge where Sherwood unloads. At least that's what I heard was the plan??

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    Quote Originally Posted by gone2alpine View Post
    Because there is a turn at the mid-station, thats how it operates. The cable cannot operate around the turn, so it is two separate systems. Its the same way the proposed ganjola would work...or just like the Collins lift at Alta.

    Details about the project are here at Placer County... https://www.placer.ca.gov/DocumentCe...ime-PDF?bidId=
    For a small section like hot wheels I doubt they’ll make it two separate ropes. There are lifts and gondolas that aren’t separate just because of a mid station. Usually they are only separated if the lift is too big to efficiently use only one drive (meaning motor etc.) or if a costumer were to request it specifically. With such a short second section adding a second drive would be a huge cost increase, and designing it too run from a single drive but detaching the top station would honestly be an engineering headache (also expensive, and time consuming). I doubt hot wheels will have the ability to run only the bottom section.


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  16. #3766
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    I have been on chairlifts in Europe that have a turn in them.
    I think they were all fixed grip though.
    Surface lifts for the win! Cheap, small, efficient, and they weed out the lazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tahoe420 View Post
    I have been on chairlifts in Europe that have a turn in them.
    I think they were all fixed grip though.
    Surface lifts for the win! Cheap, small, efficient, and they weed out the lazy.
    That would be some uphill gnar over the Sherwood cliffs. ;-)

  18. #3768
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    Red Dog and Squaw Creek upgrades would be amazing. Think of all those days the upper mountain in closed. I know that the gondola placement and approval has to be the hold up...makes sense. So much good terrain on Red Dog (obviously) but early season under the Squaw Creek chair is pretty damn fun as well. It also helps with the family skiing situation. There's diverse terrain, longish groomers as well as snack/lunch options at SC that are extremely helpful but the usual response of doing more than a few laps over there is...'but we have to ride that chair again!'
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    As noted like 8,423 posts ago (151 pages!! so far this year), looks like Red Dog replacement might happen soon, but not this summer. Plans have been approved by the MAC, but not by the county afaik

    http://friendsofsv.org/details-on-pr...-red-dog-lift/
    http://friendsofsv.org/squaw-valley-...t-replacement/

    Alignment looks rad too. Moves the base station over towards the race HQ (towards far east), so you can actually lap the damn chair.

    DETAILS ON PROPOSED RED DOG LIFT
    / October 6, 2018 / Comments Off on Details on Proposed Red Dog lift / Latest News
    Here are some notes from the Municipal Advisory Council review of the proposed Red Dog lift last Thursday. Unfortunately it’s not clear when the lift will actually be installed. The proposed new lift, install date and the location change for the base of the lift would seem to be predicated on the Squaw/Alpine Gondola (California Express) being approved (base of new gondola will most likely be located where the Red Dog lift base is currently located).

    Key Notes:
    They are advancing this request since the conditional use permit on the original Red Dog lift replacement is expiring.
    This submittal, which is on a fast track for CEQA addendum analysis, MAC vote, and planning commission vote, would allow for the new base terminal to be moved 600 ft to the east.
    Will be a detachable six pack lift.
    The uphill capacity will be limited to 2400 per hour, versus the 1800 today. The limit is imposed by the 1983 Placer County Squaw Valley General Plan which set an upper limit on total uphill capacity. There was a lot of discussion about upping this limit for bad weather but the lift motor and other features are being spec’ed at the 2400 limit.
    There is no timing set for doing this swap, perhaps one year, two years, or more.
    The lift would require the demolition of the old shacks that house dispatch, race lockers, ski patrol and others. It was not clear where these facilities would move to.
    MAC asked for clarification on the placement of the top terminal and impact on the space at the top of Snow King (very congested), analysis of the approach to the bottom terminal since there is a dangerous road cut on the approach, relationship to buildings in Specific Plan, and several other items.
    Agreed with those who would prefer Red Dog and Squaw Creek replacements over the gondy. The gondy is a total vanity project.
    sproing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tahoe420 View Post
    I think they were all fixed grip though.
    Surface lifts for the win! Cheap, small, efficient, and they weed out the lazy.
    Agreed on the surface lifts ftw! No wind holds, they weed out the weak, and you can snag empty tbars w your pole or grab the cable and ease onto one w an open spot. T1 at mammoth wasn't for the weak. It was steep af and not even as hairball as some in Europe. Bring back the TBars!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gone2alpine View Post
    Either way, far better than Rose's early close date...skipping that pass next year. Fuckers. I need to learn to deal with skiing Squaw late season.
    An employee was saying something about rose's usfs lease expiring beginning of May. Sounded wrong to me - anyone have real info on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Good to know... I should start clearing snow then for the footings for my new side deck. Figured I would just have to wait until late May or so.

    On that note, anyone have any contractor friends who might be interested in a deck project in Tahoe Donner sooner than later?
    What year are you thinking about? Surely not this year.

    (Ron Adams is a great contractor, does a lot of smaller jobs. He's done a bathroom and office add on and an elevator shaft add on for us, great work, fair prices, the lumber yard loves him which I guess he pays his bills fast. )

    Re lifts--the old Weasel lift had a mid loading station near the chalet, a mid unloading station where the current hot wheels unloads, and then went over the ridge and downhill a short way to the final unloading station on the Sherwood side--all on one cable, fixed grip, no slowing down. As I recall it was faster than the current Hot Wheels.

    Moving RD 600 ft east--should make the race from RD to KT when KT finally opens on a powder morning a lot more interesting. A lot more people will probably elect to wait in the KT line instead of doing RD laps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeBC View Post
    Got an early start due to higher temps last night but the winds locked things up longer than expected today, but only waited about 50 minutes. Both sides of the hill corned up, some pics from today


















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    nice shots, almost looks like you jumped the water.
    Eat em up Houston Cougars !

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    Quote Originally Posted by gone2alpine View Post
    The very reliable source I talked to at Alpine said that they needed to not just dig out the towers, they need to plow away a whole bunch of snow to allow access for construction equipment to get in there in May. They are completely removing the old Hot Wheels, possibly to be repurposed elsewhere. Initially they were talking about closing that side of the mountain early April, so the 21st is a bit better.

    As to the new Hot Wheels lift being more susceptible to wind, that will only affect the upper section. The lower section will be able to run independently on windy day. A four minute ride on storm days will be much better than a 13 minute ride.

    The post above indicates the last weekend for Alpine is May 19th. BA's report today indicated weekends until the 27th. Hope thats correct as I need to catch up on skiing since I have been out since March 17th with a busted shoulder.

    Either way, far better than Rose's early close date...skipping that pass next year. Fuckers. I need to learn to deal with skiing Squaw late season.
    Thanks for helping clear the rumors.
    Unfortunately the bottom half won’t run independent.
    Also they need to dig out a bunch of utilities and bring in a ton of dirt to fill the base of new “Hot Wheels” up to the elevation of meadow chair.
    It’s going to be a huge project with a lot of dirt being moved. Also talks of filling in the bad to make the decks even with load at roundhouse/summit.
    Summit and maybe roundhouse should spin weekends until May 19


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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiCougar View Post
    nice shots, almost looks like you jumped the water.
    Thanks, that one is a bit of a optical illusion as my buddy landed a fair bit away from the water.

    Well I heard today that Mott, North Bowl, Galaxy have officially closed for the season at Heavenly.

    Skied good corn on Red lake today, kinda a narrow window and the 3rd time this year I skied corn while it started to snow on me. Winds kept me off the summit though for the second time this week there.

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