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  1. #1451
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    Quote Originally Posted by s-domini View Post
    Right. Nice one. Keep forgetting about that ski as I’ve been so stuck on Praxis + ON3P.

    Have you skied the newer versions? Shop up the street has last years for 50 off which I could use right now.
    Only the 190 Bibby from back when they weighed ~2300g/ski. The Wildcat got lighter for a few years, but they're back to around the old weight for this year.


    But yeah, it sounds like what you're looking for (maybe in the 184 though). Very good in chop, semi-charge-y but also much, much more playful than the classic directional charger sort of ski. Big sweet spot, tolerates a variety of stances.

  2. #1452
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    Quote Originally Posted by s-domini View Post
    Want something more loose and jibby than Quixote or BG, more versatile and flexible for non-epic days than Protest, more chargeable and stable than GPO.
    Yeah that's a 190 bibby. I find my 188 q's actually slightly faster to break loose into a slarve than the 2013 bibbys I rode for ~5 years, but the bibbys are more flexible on turn shapes and so at moderate speeds feel 'looser' / not as demanding

    don't be afraid to go 190 at your size, especially on the newer years. you'll have fun

  3. #1453
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    Quote Originally Posted by s-domini View Post
    Yeah that was on the list, but donít think it has the versatility and ability to rail like the Q.

    Was going to build up another Q cause that ski does so much so well, but ultimately held off for something more slippery and jibby

    116 Woodsman maybe? But not sure how loose that ski is
    Some would disagree about the versatility bit.

    You're asking for both "ability to rail" and "loose", which mostly oppose... though some skis aim for the balance. Jeffrey is one of them, with a more centered stance and true twin but sidecut that rails when tipped over. All mountain jib.

    FRS? -6cm mark on that but the radius maybe a bit longer
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  4. #1454
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    2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

    Meh, sounds like Naners to me but to each their own. I think the FRS looks stoopid fun! Although if I bought a pair I would have a hard time not going CCR or at least flat camber, but thatís when shit gets expensive after the presale (and I doubt the 4mm of camber will make them any less fun, but certainly a little less frictional). Still anxiously waiting for someone with some time on the Kusalas to give an opinion here. They look badass but I donít know if anyone is going to describe them as playful or jibby.


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  5. #1455
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    I ordered the Kusalas but was considering an FRS and also a 4FRNT Renegade. Iíve had an MVP in the past and always thought it was a great pow ski, when the +10cm options came out (and now the FRS) Iíve always thought that would be a fantastic big ski in my quiver.

    Ultimately I came to the Kusala as a great middle ground between a Protest and Renegade.


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  6. #1456
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAB View Post
    Only the 190 Bibby from back when they weighed ~2300g/ski. The Wildcat got lighter for a few years, but they're back to around the old weight for this year.


    But yeah, it sounds like what you're looking for (maybe in the 184 though). Very good in chop, semi-charge-y but also much, much more playful than the classic directional charger sort of ski. Big sweet spot, tolerates a variety of stances.
    Thanks HAB, yeah sounds like the Wildcat could check all the boxes. 1 pair of 19/20ís at local shop too so killer price

  7. #1457
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    Quote Originally Posted by sruffian View Post
    Yeah that's a 190 bibby. I find my 188 q's actually slightly faster to break loose into a slarve than the 2013 bibbys I rode for ~5 years, but the bibbys are more flexible on turn shapes and so at moderate speeds feel 'looser' / not as demanding

    don't be afraid to go 190 at your size, especially on the newer years. you'll have fun
    Biggest ski Iíve owned since my 205cm Kastle Speedmachines in Ď90s is 188 Protests but reading up and that 190 doesnít sound too unwieldy. Found a 184 on sale so prob go with that if I go Wildcat but thanks for input sruffian

  8. #1458
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    190 is not unwieldy. FWIW I'm 6', 170ish and mostly ski stuff in the 186-192 range.

  9. #1459
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    Quote Originally Posted by s-domini View Post
    Biggest ski Iíve owned since my 205cm Kastle Speedmachines in Ď90s is 188 Protests but reading up and that 190 doesnít sound too unwieldy. Found a 184 on sale so prob go with that if I go Wildcat but thanks for input sruffian
    Oh and I should clarify, I think Qs tails are super easy to break loose and love that balance they have between chargeable and slarve-y.

    But agree with other folks that they ski like a much narrower ski. I think the Qs should have been 110-112 and positioned more as all mountain Deathwish type ski as their ONLY weakness IMO is surfyness in super deep pow and especially at lower angle slower speeds - which is why Iím looking for something more playful for deep days

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    I think my Qís are super surfy and easy to slarve in pow, especially with the shorter length (in on 182s). Their only sin to me is the lack of float/tip dive in deep/heavy snow (for a ski thatís 118mm underfoot). They actually do a great job in what Iíd say would be a 110mm underfoot one ski quiver type ski


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    Looking forward to getting on my 182 skinny Qs. Heavy core flex 3 and hoping they will be an excellent DD.
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    Forgot to note: 2280g/ski (the two skis were within 15 grams!)

    Quote Originally Posted by meter-man View Post
    188 FRS. Ordered during custom sale, but went stock everything. Still in the plastic.

    The shape and camber profile look sooooooo money.









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    Quote Originally Posted by meter-man View Post
    Forgot to note: 2280g/ski (the two skis were within 15 grams!)
    Keith must have had an intern lay that pair up, all of my Praxii are within 5 grams of each other.
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  14. #1464
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    Quote Originally Posted by s-domini View Post
    Yeah that was on the list, but donít think it has the versatility and ability to rail like the Q.

    Was going to build up another Q cause that ski does so much so well, but ultimately held off for something more slippery and jibby

    116 Woodsman maybe? But not sure how loose that ski is
    Are you talking about the 108 or the 116? I think the Jeffrey 108 is the Jeep of the ski quiver. It does everything pretty good, can take a ripe olí beating, pretty playful, can be pretty chargy if you want it to be. I would say itís my second favorite ski, and I still donít know what my favorite ski is.

    Anyway, get the Kusala.

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