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05-21-2021, 11:29 AM #2201Registered Useless
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05-21-2021, 11:50 AM #2202
If Keith brings out this graphic, its going on my custom Praxis, whenever it comes to fruition:
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05-21-2021, 01:08 PM #2203Registered User
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05-24-2021, 02:20 PM #2204Registered Useless
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06-16-2021, 10:37 AM #2205
I'm talking to Keith about maybe doing the same thing but in a -10mm build and 182. Curious about the mount, though. I have 182 GPOs that I like at a -1.5, and a Protest at a -2...so I'd normally be thinking I'd like these at a similar setback, but wondering if that'll be screwy with the camber pockets. How were your originals mounted?
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06-16-2021, 02:30 PM #2206
Anybody ski the BC in recent years?
I had a couple pairs of BCs back in the day (6+ years ago), and wondering how the current construction stacks up now that other companies finally make good touring skis.
Specifically, I'd be comparing them against Moment Wildcat Tour 108s. I've also been on Backland 107 and 4FRNT Ravens recently. But I seem to recall having the most fun on my BCs! The newest reviews I'm finding are from 2013/2014 time frame...so whatcha got?sproing!
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06-16-2021, 02:46 PM #2207Registered User
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I had the BC from 3 seasons ago and sold them for the WCT 108s. I can't compare to the previous construction of the BC's but can compare them to the WCT 108s. I wanted a ski with a little more backbone in less than perfect snow and the WCTs definitely hit the mark compared to the BCs. They're a little bit heavier and slightly stiffer underfoot and just in front of your boot so they perform a bit better in mixed conditions. In perfect pow I didn't really notice much difference between the two.
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06-16-2021, 03:19 PM #2208
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06-16-2021, 03:30 PM #2209
Curious about opinions on the MVP 108. I've heard mixed things about the MVP and a lot of reviews seem to be dependent on the edge tune so it's hard to get a consistent read on them. I'm interested in a daily inbounds ski to go between a pair of PB&J's and Bibbys, both of which I love. It's definitely not a quiver gap that needs to be filled and would be a completely unnecessary purchase but I've always wanted to get on a pair of Praxis and this sale is hard to pass up. The MVP seems like it could be a nice middle ground that floats a bit better than the PBJ but is quicker in bumps and firmer conditions than the Bibby while still retaining that playful charger feel, but this is mostly based on speculation. If the MVP doesn't make sense I might just say fuck it and get a pair of Protests
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06-16-2021, 06:12 PM #2210Registered User
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The MVP is my middle ski of a 3 ski quiver. Been using a 186 Dynastar LP for frozen/hard snow, 190 Bibby for deeper snow and a 187 MVP for everything in-between. Had a couple of pairs of 193 MVP but am trying the shorter length this time.
The MVP is such a versatile ski. I'm a resort rat, inbounds only, and the MVP handles the chopped up, rutted out, junky trash snow so well. I need to travel to ski in the mountains and if I'm taking 1 ski, it's the MVP.
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06-16-2021, 07:46 PM #2211Registered User
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06-16-2021, 07:57 PM #2212
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06-16-2021, 08:24 PM #2213Registered User
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I've had 3 pairs of MVP, 2 at 193cm and 1 at 187cm. The first pair of 193 was a 4 flex and was too stiff for me, so I got another MVP at 3.5 flex that felt much better. I could bend the ski more easily but tight trees were still lots of work. Now I have a 187 3.5 flex MVP that feels good but I've used them only about 2500' vertical for the entire past season... so grain of salt and all that.
6' 1" 175lbs, ancient
edit: The new 187s I bought and used this past season are the 109mm version with heavy hitter, carbon, veneer. The first pair I bought were 13/14 193cm 4flex 110mm enduro, nylon topsheet. 2nd pair were 13/14 193cm 3.5flex 110 enduro nylon topsheetLast edited by skuff; 06-17-2021 at 10:28 PM.
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06-17-2021, 06:44 AM #2214Registered User
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Keep in mind that the ski stiffness levels are relative within the Praxis line. Kieth says the ratings are consistent from model to model so a #4 9D8 is the same stiffness as a #4 MVP, #4 RX etc. I have not hand flexed the PBJs or the Bibby's so I can't compare the Praxis #4 to those. I can tell you though that my #4 flex 9D8s are softer than my ON3P Billy Goats and Woodsmans. The #4 flex is very similar, maybe ever so slightly softer, to my Mindbender 108s. Hope this helps.
I have a #4 RX coming this summer, it will be interesting to see how the flex on those compare to the 9D8s.
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06-17-2021, 07:33 AM #2215
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06-17-2021, 07:34 AM #2216Registered User
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In the minority here, but I didn't like the MVP (slightly older 109 version). Dulling the edges helped significantly but I thought the ski felt dead and a lot of work in tight trees. Ended up going with the jeffery 108 to fill this slot and love it. Most people really like the MVP though and at that price its probably worth a shot or for a lighter version buy my veneer MVPs this fall
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06-17-2021, 10:49 AM #2217Registered User
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What years were they? Flex them side by side? If both newish and you flexed side by side so that you are not working from memory then one of the manufacturers have a consistency problem or a #4 flex is in fact not necessarily consistent model to model. I won't be able to judge that until i have my RXs in hand.
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06-17-2021, 10:51 AM #2218Registered Useless
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Concur on the #4 being less stiff than 12-13 billy goats.
For a moment comparison - I would say a #4 flex is right in line with a pair of 2013 bibby's I had, close to meridians and mayyyybe a hair stiffer than a pbj. #3 flex is softer than all of those moments in my experience. The praxis standard layup is pretty dialed for maritime snowpacks for me at weights between 175lbs and 190lbs
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06-17-2021, 12:00 PM #2219Registered User
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Nice! I think the compound camber will be so awesome on a skinny Q too. Perhaps even more suited to it! I think that wherever you mount them, you'll want that underfoot rocker section to be, well, underfoot. My 182 Qs with the compound camber were mounted on the line and skied wonderfully. My advice is start at the recommended point and see how it feels.
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06-17-2021, 12:15 PM #2220
Cool good to know. I'm really happy with the PB&J flex it holds up at speed in variable conditions but also plays and butters around nicely so sounds like stock #4 flex is the way to go. I'm thinking the standard layup will work fine too. I'm not in a maritime snowpack but should be just as good here in CO. Plus I can save some money that way. Now I just need to figure out which graphic to choose which I feel like is the hardest part of Praxis custom orders. I'm into the black snek
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06-17-2021, 12:17 PM #2221
Not flexed side by side. Billy Goats are older (last year of the 186 length?) and more used. IIRC they are softer than most years. But I'm sure the GPOs (which I sold) were stiffer. The BG's flex more like my flex 3 Protests (BG's are a stiffer underfoot, but similar overall).
Consistency of flex across models can only go so far, unless you want every model to have the same flex pattern. Some skis are stiff underfoot and softer at the ends. Some are more even from tip to tail. The flex has to match the other elements of the skis design. My flex 3 BC's were a good bit softer at the tips than my flex 3 Protests. I have flex 3 UL GPO's that are softer than the Protests underfoot, but similar at the tip and tail. I think the tips on my flex 4 GPO's were stiffer than the tips of the Freerides I briefly owned too.
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06-17-2021, 03:00 PM #2222Registered User
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Absolutely agree with comments. Of course skis will have to be different relative flexes depending on the skis' design and purpose. Perhaps i am taking keith's comments too literally. Maybe it is more if you really like the #4 flex in the 9D8, ie a ski on the stiffer side for praxis, you will want the #4 flex in our other models, on a "relative scale" that will give you a ski you like. (of course depending on whether you are going for say a mellow ski vs a chargy ski) Not that a #4 flex is the SAME across the line.
However that said, as for the skis i have in my house the BGs (184s) and Woodsman 116s (182s) are definitely a fair bit stiffer than my HH #4 core 9D8s (185s).
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06-18-2021, 03:20 AM #2223
@ISBD's 2014 BGs (the last year of the 186 length) are a softer ski than the next gen. (184) which I also owned. How much of this has to do with use (I bought 'em from @lucknau and passed them along to @ISBD), I can't say. @lucknau is a pretty big boy so he might have punished them ;-)
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06-18-2021, 02:07 PM #2224Registered User
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I have a BC 190 flex #4 with veneer from last year, mounted with shifts, and I love them. I've ended up skiing them inbounds more than out of bounds, and they handle everything super well, at least in the PNW. A real no-nonsense, easy ski. I'm 6'4, 220, which is why I upped the flex to 4 on Keith's recommendation (and I was mounting them with shifts anyway so not crazy concerned about weight).
For comparison, I've skied the ravens a couple of days inbounds (also with shifts), and it was low tide so didn't get them in their element, but the BCs are more fun in firmer conditions, as you'd expect. Can't make a comparison in powder, though I'm sure the reverse camber would make the raven an easier ski to pivot.
I've also skied the 4FRNT Hoji extensively (older, heavier version in a 195, has a similar construction to the Raven) and absolutely love that ski. The BC obviously has a better edge hold in firmer conditions, but once you're in softer conditions, I feel like the Hoji and the BC can be skied in a surprisingly similar way (both skis are mounted on the line), i.e. very centered. And they both crush.
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06-18-2021, 02:11 PM #2225Registered User
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I remember Keith telling me that the flex of his skis are consistent across models, in that he uses a machine to measure the flex of his skis. But I agree that the flex profile is going to be different for each model, so I'm not sure how his machine works exactly. Also, why does Keith never come on the forum to answer his fanboys' questions?
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