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    Looking at those MVPs, skipping this year's sale has been borderline gut wrenching. That looks like a perfect layup for one of those days after having pounded the crap out of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    Looking at those MVPs, skipping this year's sale has been borderline gut wrenching. That looks like a perfect layup for one of those days after having pounded the crap out of yourself.

    ... Thom
    Over and over thatís what I keep thinking. Every one of those skinny rxís too. That was my build last year before I got cold feet and changed it. Been kicking myself repeatedly looking into the Praxis threads

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    I trust you gentleman maintain adequate quivers...and if youíre ever hitting Stevens, come get em for a lap or three.
    wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
    Zoolander wasn't a documentary?

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    Beers! I'd love to make it up to WA. This year's trips might only get so far as Montucky (full quiver in rooftop carrier - irrespective of destination), but we'll see ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    Ultimate do it alls.
    the mvp is really all that, i enjoy skiing this ski in spring
    used to consider it a skinny Rx before the new skinny Rx
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    Quote Originally Posted by SupreChicken View Post
    I trust you gentleman maintain adequate quivers...and if youíre ever hitting Stevens, come get em for a lap or three.
    Thanks Supre! Iím not sure I could really enjoy them though. Iíd be scared to cross my skis and mark those beauts. Iíll wait for the review

    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    the mvp is really all that, i enjoy skiing this ski in spring
    used to consider it a skinny Rx before the new skinny Rx
    If I had a stack o paper I could rationalize one of everything Iím sure. Just a dreamer until then

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    Iím sure this has been covered before but havenít shifted through the old threads. Is the general wisdom to mount concepts on the line? Or if I prefer my Praxis Skis behind the line (GPOs, protests, Qs all mounted -1 to -1.5 cm back), should I do the same for the concepts?

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    Weighed my Praxis quiver last night. For the data bank:

    184 cm Rx, enduro with carbon, #4 flex, ambrosia maple: 8.65 lb (1974 and 1956 grams per ski)
    185 cm 9D8, heavy with carbon, #4 flex, birds eye maple: 8.35 lb (1886 and 1902 grams per ski)
    183 cm Exp, heavy with carbon, #4 flex, olive ash: 7.8 lb (1770 and 1772 grams per ski)

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    I skied the skinny RX. Mostly I was on firm snow, nice windbuff and corn, and one good powder day. I sharpened/detuned and waxed them prior, but the rocks really fucked up my sharp edges and left gouges.

    The long radius is the first thing I noticed; don't lock your edges into a turn until you have the speed. The RX gets really good when you are going fast. I like to carve them on turns close to their radius, but things got slushy on some hot afternoons and the skis pivoted very well but that's hero snow for slarve turns. They can get sideways less easily in inconsistent snow, occasionally I had a "locked-in" feeling if I got backseat and rode the tails through a turn. The relative pintail is doing that, I had the same sensation on my lhasas if I got backseat. Also, I threw frame bindings on them and did some sidecountry touring while I was there and they were fine up the skintrack.

    One day it snowed around a foot, maybe more. The wind wasn't too bad but there were some very deep pockets of wind-loaded snow. I love skiing in the snow, bouncing in and out of the powder and the skinny RX satisfies and skis very well for its size. In the choppy powder, I definitely wanted a wider ski to keep me above some of the vibrations you feel in your knees. This day made me want to try the regular width RX.

    The shape is money, but you hear that a lot with this ski. The width adjustment didn't screw that up for me. I really like these skis. I got the heavy build and 5- flex, these skis aren't that stiff or heavy. I should have asked for extra stiff. Sometimes at speed through variable they got a little bouncy, like long wave warbles through the skis, on me. Overall, the skinny RX is an extremely competent ski that rewards good technique and high speed.

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    has anyone A/B compared the skinny RX to a Freeride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ego7man View Post
    I skied the skinny RX. Mostly I was on firm snow, nice windbuff and corn, and one good powder day. I sharpened/detuned and waxed them prior, but the rocks really fucked up my sharp edges and left gouges.

    The long radius is the first thing I noticed; don't lock your edges into a turn until you have the speed. The RX gets really good when you are going fast. I like to carve them on turns close to their radius, but things got slushy on some hot afternoons and the skis pivoted very well but that's hero snow for slarve turns. They can get sideways less easily in inconsistent snow, occasionally I had a "locked-in" feeling if I got backseat and rode the tails through a turn. The relative pintail is doing that, I had the same sensation on my lhasas if I got backseat. Also, I threw frame bindings on them and did some sidecountry touring while I was there and they were fine up the skintrack.

    One day it snowed around a foot, maybe more. The wind wasn't too bad but there were some very deep pockets of wind-loaded snow. I love skiing in the snow, bouncing in and out of the powder and the skinny RX satisfies and skis very well for its size. In the choppy powder, I definitely wanted a wider ski to keep me above some of the vibrations you feel in your knees. This day made me want to try the regular width RX.

    The shape is money, but you hear that a lot with this ski. The width adjustment didn't screw that up for me. I really like these skis. I got the heavy build and 5- flex, these skis aren't that stiff or heavy. I should have asked for extra stiff. Sometimes at speed through variable they got a little bouncy, like long wave warbles through the skis, on me. Overall, the skinny RX is an extremely competent ski that rewards good technique and high speed.
    This post perplexes me. The fact you didnít find that they just mob through chop is interesting, even at a flex 5 heavy build. How tall and heavy are you? What length ski?
    This ski is high on my radar so this post has me concerned. Itís shape and that build should crush chop and variable conditions. I like a narrower ski in chop since you can just really stand on them in a turn and knife through it delivering a smooth ride if the ski has the right build and is torsionally stiff as well as longitudinally. What other skis can you compare them to? What other skis do you like?

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    They're very good in general, but the ski can't do everything perfectly. They don't have the raceroom construction of blizzard or dynastar but that makes them more easy.

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    2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Muggydude View Post
    Iím sure this has been covered before but havenít shifted through the old threads. Is the general wisdom to mount concepts on the line? Or if I prefer my Praxis Skis behind the line (GPOs, protests, Qs all mounted -1 to -1.5 cm back), should I do the same for the concepts?
    Keith has stated that one shouldnít stray too far from the line on the concepts - definitely no more than +/-2. The line is -8, IIRC, which is fairly traditional, and you can definitely still drive the tips from there. Iím love mine on the line, but I donít think moving it a cm would be a hudge deal, if thatís your jam.

    ETA: like any Praxis, and maybe even more so with the Concepts, bring a gummy with you on the hill and detune as you see fit.


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    2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

    My Heavy #5 regular Rx definitely mob through chop and chunk. They haul the mail. My favorite ski ever, thus far. They just feel so right, everything aligns for me, and I dont need to pay attention to what my skis are doing when transitioning between different sno conditions. Predictable and steadfast. They hold their speed so well and you can turn and slash and you stay at high speeds. Similar to BGs in that way, albeit not as pivoty. Similar to BGs and 191 wren in terms of speed too, they are just shorter.

    Rx shape feels a little looser than 191 Wren 113 or 189 Wren 108, but Rx #5 also feels a bit stiffer on edge. I feel like the Wrens wanna make more specific, pre programmed turn shapes, which is normal. Wrens still easy to shut down. Whereas the Rx are easier to make any sort of turn shape. They are a little easier to break free in the trees, or too line up a cliff drop in motion (sliding), before you send it. Or break into almost a small Shane McConkey style slide, and just get loose in general.

    I told Keith I wanted them super beefy and he seriously delivered. I think his Cousin (the FWT competitor) had a hand in making these, because he was telling me all about them when I picked them up at the factory. They feel super torsionally stiff, the edges grip hard and they work great for long radius turns on firm west coast snow too.

    There is a pair of standard Enduro #4 189 Rx blems on sale discounted on the website. Idk why noone has bought them yet. They seem like a more versatile, more traditional, lighter and easier going billy goat tour.


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    ^ Your post about the 5 flex heavy being a crusher and then egomans stating the opposite is interesting.

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    you can stand on the Rx, i don’t always but you could, 2funk.
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    2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

    Ya Idk if Iíd call them true crushers, they are not like Monster 108s, but they can definitely crush when you want. They crush like a 191 Wren or BG. The #5 doesnt hand flex super stiff, but skis stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    you can stand on the Rx, i donít always but you could, 2funk.
    Thanks brother! 189?
    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post
    Ya Idk if Iíd call them true crushers, they are not like Monster 108s, but they can definitely crush when you want. They crush like a 191 Wren or BG. The #5 doesnt hand flex super stiff, but skis stiff.

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    I would love to ski them but you probably have a giant BSL.

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    2018-19 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

    315mm BSL, mounted with Jesters


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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post
    315mm BSL, mounted with Jesters


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    Gah, prolly wonít go down to a 306.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muggydude View Post
    Iím sure this has been covered before but havenít shifted through the old threads. Is the general wisdom to mount concepts on the line? Or if I prefer my Praxis Skis behind the line (GPOs, protests, Qs all mounted -1 to -1.5 cm back), should I do the same for the concepts?
    I wouldnít go farther back than -1, that being said I def donít think you would lose any performance going -1. Personally I will most likely put my next pair on the line (resort dd).
    Fear, Doubt, Disbelief, you have to let it all go. Free your mind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Gah, prolly won’t go down to a 306.
    IIRC, they adjust 20mm, so you should be fine. Assuming that they're mounted for 306.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island Bay View Post
    IIRC, they adjust 20mm, so you should be fine. Assuming that they're mounted for 306.
    Ah, that should put me in front of his midsole a touch. Shouldnít matter much on performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Ah, that should put me in front of his midsole a touch. Shouldnít matter much on performance.
    Iím counting on you as a Protests connoisseur to give a good review!

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