Moment Skis Discussion

**Banh Mi** · 11-30-2018, 01:18 PM

Wildcats are fast, loose in soft crud/chop, but locked in on moderate ice. They were very fun for my first day back on the slopes.

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**sruffian** · 11-30-2018, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by TomFromNS

Chipotle Banana + Commander 118

Commander 118 was what I was thinking.

More looking for that ghost train special issue, myself

**hick** · 12-01-2018, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by jdadour

If I recall correctly, Carston Oliver not the tallest guy, and/or wanted something maneuverable. Despite not being longer, it has a beefy build with extra fiberglass and carbon so it should still feel like a strong ski. The interesting thing is the stated weight at 1890 grams per ski (unless its an error) is much less than the Meridian 117 at 2200 grams which is presumably a very similar design and build.

Seems strange, CB’s are a beefcake ski for not having any metal in them. Wonder if the lay up has changed. Re: the 186...I’ve never needed more, can’t get this ski to flap in the slightest. I even used it as a daily driver for a season at Bridger. Amazing ski!

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**kc_7777** · 12-01-2018, 06:02 PM

Ya Betelgeuse Moment PBJs do rip! Just had my first day on my 182s, they floated just fine in a bit of pow we found in West Bowl. And they absolutely ripped on the groomers. Perfect mounted on rec at -5cm. Very happy Moment. I’m gonna love these.

Can’t wait to try the Meridian 117s when it snows more.

This was in West Bowl today at Whistler on my PBJs:

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**mr_pretzel** · 12-01-2018, 06:56 PM

Awesome shot!

**cdubski** · 12-01-2018, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by iriponsnow

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Had the shop rehabilitate some Jaguar Sharks I recently got here. HOLLY COW!

Surfy & seeking the fall line. Really fun ski.

Saw some (mounted tele?!) on some guys roof rack the other day. Can’t wait till I break mine out on some big runs

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**whyturn** · 12-02-2018, 08:09 AM

Met a guy with 184 DW on the lift at basin on Friday. Asked if he was on TGR and he said no but did say he knew a bunch of you guys at the factory. Great looking ski and did not look 184. Keep on trucking with the indies

**XavierD** · 12-02-2018, 11:05 AM

I hope to get my WC tours out on snow this week. Very excited for them.

**SupreChicken** · 12-02-2018, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by XavierD

I hope to get my WC tours out on snow this week. Very excited for them.

Standard size or 108?

**XavierD** · 12-02-2018, 05:14 PM

The standard size

**Banh Mi** · 12-02-2018, 06:16 PM

I’m loving the 190 Wildcats so far. Skied em the past 3 days, encountering different densities of crud, chop, debris, chickenheads to full on snowman heads, ice and firm, and some sweeeet untracked. And rocks today, gunna need some P tex tonight, but worth it for some good pow turns. I’ll definitely be keeping these bad boys and skiing them till they die.

I coud just ski them all year, no matter the conditions, and not worry about whats on my feet. They crush a lot of different conditions. So glad I went with the same exact shape for touring as well as my thin all mtn ski, Bibby Tours and Pb&Js. I enjoy and am keeping the 188 PB&Js too. Great freestyle all mtn/park ski for heavier guys or rippers who still want to drive their shins into their boots with a semi-directional feeling ski. Or well, more directional feeling than most if not all other “jib” skis. Gonna get on Bibby Tours soon hopefully.

I had 2013 190 Bibbys that I liked but didnt quite “click” with when the skis were heavier, I weighed much less, and I was worse at skiing fast and clean. I weighed 185lbs nekkid back then, but I dont remember the Bibbys being this floaty. The Wildcats float my now 215lbs even just noodleing around in the trees at 5-10mph when I’m with the family. Then I can branch off, and turn it up to 40mph off piste in funky shit, and the skis just charge. The skis do whatever I wanna do, with just a slight amount of input.

I do notice that the lighter weight tips, just the tip!, gets deflected the slightest amount. A little more than I remember on Bibbys, and a little more than my heavier skis. Not deflected really, but it doesnt wanna plow through something, now it will go over the top. Again I’m heavy, so I’m sure those under 200lbs wont even notice a thing. I barely notice, and I’m the type of loop that notices my hair growing. The Wildcats are still super fast, on top of being impressively light feeling. They are probably as fast as my custom heavy and stiff Praxis Rx or Billy Goats, which is saying a lot, cuz they weigh almost a full pound lighter in each ski. The lighter weight comes in handy when you wanna ski hard all day long. They also feel like they ski more dynamically than my old Bibbys, cuz of the 300g loss/ski. However I cant really judge that accurately, because I personally also ski more dynamically now with an extra 350 days under my belt since I last skied bibbys.

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**jdadour** · 12-03-2018, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Betelgeuse

I’m loving the 190 Wildcats so far. Skied em the past 3 days, encountering different densities of crud, chop, debris, chickenheads to full on snowman heads, ice and firm, and some sweeeet untracked. And rocks today, gunna need some P tex tonight, but worth it for some good pow turns. I’ll definitely be keeping these bad boys and skiing them till they die.

I coud just ski them all year, no matter the conditions, and not worry about whats on my feet. They crush a lot of different conditions. So glad I went with the same exact shape for touring as well as my thin all mtn ski, Bibby Tours and Pb&Js. I enjoy and am keeping the 188 PB&Js too. Great freestyle all mtn/park ski for heavier guys or rippers who still want to drive their shins into their boots with a semi-directional feeling ski. Or well, more directional feeling than most if not all other “jib” skis. Gonna get on Bibby Tours soon hopefully.

I had 2013 190 Bibbys that I liked but didnt quite “click” with when the skis were heavier, I weighed much less, and I was worse at skiing fast and clean. I weighed 185lbs nekkid back then, but I dont remember the Bibbys being this floaty. The Wildcats float my now 215lbs even just noodleing around in the trees at 5-10mph when I’m with the family. Then I can branch off, and turn it up to 40mph off piste in funky shit, and the skis just charge. The skis do whatever I wanna do, with just a slight amount of input.

I do notice that the lighter weight tips, just the tip!, gets deflected the slightest amount. A little more than I remember on Bibbys, and a little more than my heavier skis. Not deflected really, but it doesnt wanna plow through something, now it will go over the top. Again I’m heavy, so I’m sure those under 200lbs wont even notice a thing. I barely notice, and I’m the type of loop that notices my hair growing. The Wildcats are still super fast, on top of being impressively light feeling. They are probably as fast as my custom heavy and stiff Praxis Rx or Billy Goats, which is saying a lot, cuz they weigh almost a full pound lighter in each ski. The lighter weight comes in handy when you wanna ski hard all day long. They also feel like they ski more dynamically than my old Bibbys, cuz of the 300g loss/ski. However I cant really judge that accurately, because I personally also ski more dynamically now with an extra 350 days under my belt since I last skied bibbys.

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Juice - So glad to hear that they worked well for you! Now you see what the hype is all about, they just work so well across all conditions. Give those tips and tails a detune to the contact point (tip/tail to widest point) and see if that helps with the deflection.

**Banh Mi** · 12-03-2018, 02:49 PM

I took out 185 Bent Chetlers today, what a fkn mistake. Wildcats are just as playful, but better in every single way for me. The 2mm thinner wildcats ski 10mm thinner.

BCs going on ebay/NS after 3 runs. As a matter of fact, a lot of stuff is going on sale after skiing these Wildcats! I got the BCs as an easy going ski, but the wildcats arent any harder to ski at my weight.. wasted money on atomics

Shoulda spent it on Deathwishes

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**slowroastin** · 12-03-2018, 06:02 PM

Deciding between the Deathwish tour or the Meridian tour.

DW’s are lighter and I don’t plan on charging in the backcountry so leaning towards them.

Meridian tour seems like more of a 50/50 ski. Is this correct?

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**Coño Frío** · 12-03-2018, 09:42 PM

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Decided to take the Wildcat 190s out for their inaugural run on Friday Nov 30th....that’s right, 118 underfoot in November...or Snowvember if you will.
The Wasatch is sportin mid-winter conditions so I just couldn’t wait any longer...
it wasn’t deep pow but was soft enough to justify the test run. And I can tell the gunna be awe-sum!
Of course they crush crud...even better than the 184 Bibbys I rocked the last few seasons.
I was a lil worried the 190s would lean too chargy at the expense of playful but the new layup felt great.
And, wow, a super suspension for hitting little booters and simple drops... the extra 6cms add a ton of stability...can’t wait to really push these MFers!

And now for the surprise of the weekend...
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I’ve been touring (occasionally) the past couple seasons on the 184 Deathwish but decided to change them out for something shorter & lighter (think rossi super-seller in a girly color).
ANYWAY, I threw some demo binders on the DW to use as a rock ski.
Took ‘em out Sunday to rip some groomers and surf some early season, variable depth pow.
Aaaand, they delivered. Impressed, in fact. I forgot how fun this ski is. Especially in the variable early season conditions. Firm, man made blues...the triple camber ripped and railed. The soft stuff on the sides and in the trees, they floated and surfed like Kelly Slater!
It is a truly amazing tool to rip out west. If I had to settle for a quiver of one (and thank God I do not) it would be the Deathwish, hands down.

**Reformed** · 12-03-2018, 11:30 PM

^ those DWs look good all murdered out. Not that I'm going to take the time to do the same, but curious what you used/how it's held up? Graphics on those have always left me scratching my head. Lots of people comment on them/seem to like them though.
100% agree with the versatility comments. Mine have become the "no idea what I'm going to find, but I'm pretty sure it's not pow and I'm feeling a little lazy to really give'er" day/time of season skis.

**bigdude2468** · 12-04-2018, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by slowroastin

Deciding between the Deathwish tour or the Meridian tour.

DW’s are lighter and I don’t plan on charging in the backcountry so leaning towards them.

Meridian tour seems like more of a 50/50 ski. Is this correct?

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You cant make a mistake, I like both. I do not own the Meridian but my son does so I have skied it a few times and I think it is a great ski. I own the Deathwish and Deathwish tour and they ski similar. DW tour is a little narrower under foot than the regular and the lighter weight makes the tour ski not as well in chop or in mashed potatoes.

**slowroastin** · 12-04-2018, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by bigdude2468

You cant make a mistake, I like both. I do not own the Meridian but my son does so I have skied it a few times and I think it is a great ski. I own the Deathwish and Deathwish tour and they ski similar. DW tour is a little narrower under foot than the regular and the lighter weight makes the tour ski not as well in chop or in mashed potatoes.

Im thinking the Deathwish tour floats better in pure pow and the Meridien tour performs better on corn and variable conditions.

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**Coño Frío** · 12-04-2018, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Reformed

^ those DWs look good all murdered out. Not that I'm going to take the time to do the same, but curious what you used/how it's held up? .

I love most Moment art and definitely gravitate to the dark side but my girls hated and were “creeped out” by the ole DW topsheet. So I picked up a can of Krylon at the Walmart and voila I’m back in black! It has actually held up quite well imo.

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**iriponsnow** · 12-04-2018, 08:51 PM

Was not home for FedEx guy

**2FUNKY** · 12-04-2018, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by iriponsnow

Was not home for FedEx guy

Sign up for a fedex account and you can print a release form for them so you don’t have to be home. Tape it to your door and they will leave the package.

**Coño Frío** · 12-04-2018, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by iriponsnow

Was not home for FedEx guy

FedEx Guy is taking a Moment to rip some pow and bust some crud!

**slowroastin** · 12-05-2018, 03:15 PM

Im surprised a tour core PB&J is not available.

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**thecazdog** · 12-05-2018, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by slowroastin

Im surprised a tour core PB&J is not available.

I guess they figure if you're touring it's more for soft snow conditions, hence the Wildcat 108.

I'm interested in getting some PB&Js as daily drivers, especially for southern hemisphere winter. A pair of PB&Js is not even 200g heavier than Wildcat Tours.

I'll see how the 108s do as a 50/50 ski before going down that road...

**rudy** · 12-05-2018, 05:36 PM

Love to hear how the 108s do as a resort ski. Have a pair of shift that I'm contemplating putting on either my old bibbys or a new pair of 108 tours (or maybe 108 kartels). Love the bibbys and if the 108s can handle the resort well I'd happily go that route although these skis would probably be more like 80/20 resort to bc.