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09-01-2019, 03:23 AM #2076Rod9301
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Why isn't a class 1 e bike a mountsin bike?
Instead of second guessing, look at Europe, where virtually no serious mountain biker will buy a non electric mountain bike today. And all class 1 are considered to be the same as Mountan bikes
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09-01-2019, 07:08 AM #2077
Allowing E-bikes on NPS land would quickly change the riding demographic here in Acadia National Park on the Carriage Roads and the Park Loop Road. Many more rental tourons zipping around I think. Hmmm.
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09-01-2019, 07:31 AM #2078Rod9301
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If you look at France, Italy or Spain, all the young, hot Enduro oriented riders are on 180 mm e bikes.
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09-01-2019, 08:39 AM #2079
I fail to see what he big deal is with allowing ebikes on a lot of these trails. If it gets more people on bikes and out of cars, then I think that it is a win. As far as an increase in traffic I don't really see a ton of people (who don't already mountain bike) going out and buying eMTBs for $6K+.
And for Porcupine rim, it is all downhill, people won't even be using the motors on the ebikes unless they climb sand flats rd (of course it might be good to make PR DH only to prevent people from trying to climb PR). You really gonna do the WE on a eMTB just to climb burro or a loop from town, then descend the rest of the trail with a heavy motor and battery?
A lot of trails I can think of in Moab, and everywhere else for that matter, involve climbing a non-singletrack road then descending a single track. On the descent, an ebike is just a heavy bike.
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09-01-2019, 09:50 AM #2080
You say "heavy bike" disparagingly. My decoy gives nothing away on the down. Absolutely nothing. Actually adds to the ride. Stable planted AND playful
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09-01-2019, 10:29 AM #2081
Woah buddy. Simmer down.
This Ebike fapping thread has taken a spicy turn.
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09-01-2019, 10:35 AM #2082
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09-01-2019, 10:49 AM #2083
Like a lot of early emtb's I've been MTN biking for years. Decade's actually. I'm hopeful that most fit that pattern and understand how our sport has grown - evolved, and the difficulties getting here.
People that trash these bikes make a great case against biking in the forest altogether. Their arguments are almost the same as those I heard 30 years ago.
As for the additional 20 to 25 lbs of weight. It's not giant difference and many of us run bigger tires on the ebike vs our analog bikes. That should offset some of the concern. I do get the concerns about people going out and running 3 laps on the same trail vs 1 if not for the assist. I think that should be a part of the discussion - education, especially in areas highly susceptible to erosion.
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09-01-2019, 10:52 AM #2084Besides the comet that killed the dinosaurs nothing has destroyed a species faster than entitled white people.-ajp
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09-01-2019, 11:17 AM #2085
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09-01-2019, 12:19 PM #2086
I was just in Europe riding regular bikes. This isn't even remotely true. All of the guys we were riding with talked a fair amount of shit about ebikes, and while ebikes were all over the place, I saw very few "serious" riders on them.
And an ebike isn't a mountain bike, because the term "mountain bike" has an accepted definition, and that definition doesn't include a motor.
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09-01-2019, 01:13 PM #2087
When I started mountain biking, the definition of a mountain bike didn't include front or rear suspension, or hydrolic brakes. Because they weren't invented yet. eMTBs are obviously bikes.
People talked shit about automobiles, computers, etc, etc and even mtnbikes until they caught on.
If it's not hurting you, why are bikers trash talking other bikers? Seems hypocritical
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09-01-2019, 01:31 PM #2088
If you can't see the difference between adding hydraulic disc brakes to a bike and adding a motor to a bike, then you're just being willfully obtuse.
I don't have anything against ebikes. I spent more time riding an ebike than a regular bike last week. But while ebikes are similar to mountain bikes, they're clearly different. I have no idea why so many ebikers see that as a problem; what's with the obsession to define ebikes as being mountain bikes? Why can't they just be their own thing?
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09-01-2019, 03:06 PM #2089Registered User
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Because there will never be trails built specifically for them so unless they're considered mt bikes we wont be able to ride them anywhere other than on the streets.
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09-01-2019, 03:14 PM #2090
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Originally Posted by Nick, post: 4364145, member: 574Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident
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09-01-2019, 03:19 PM #2091
Well I broke down and added an E-bike to the tool box, being retired and getting older it's hard to continue riding every day. It's been great for recovery days, Shuttle car retrievals, and getting deep out there to work on trails. I've actually lost 5 pounds cause I'm simply riding more, often two rides a day one on the e-bike and another on the regular bike. The amount of trail I'm able to build has tripled. Super stoked for bike to ski access next spring, I do a few of these each year on the regular bike but I see it that jumping dramatically next year.
One thing that surprised me was I started setting PR's on many downhills, I attribute it to being fresher at the top of the hill and the added weight on the way down.
Lower back issues and knee pain that have plague me have dramatically been reduced.
Everyone who gets on it just starts laughing as soon as they start pedaling, makes uphills fun!
I pull over and give everyone the right away when I go uphill as there is no loss of momentum.
Love em or hate em, there here to stay and I have to say I feel like it's the BEST money I've ever spent on a toy in my life, game changer...
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09-01-2019, 03:22 PM #2092
I would not of believed it a few months ago. Im not saying my 48lb decoy is the perfect weight but i can now say with absolute certainty that modern day geo, suspension tech and kinematics, tire tech and both diameter and width size together with that tech, and brakes has my 48lb tank as capable on steeps as an enduro bike with the same travel . I notice a touch more muscle needed to move it around but i notice it being a fair bit more stable and a lot less deflection in the loose and roots and rocks. Jump trails , the thing flys farther , hugs berms and off camber chicanes like nothing ive been on. Thats been my whole goal to see the difference the last few rides. I dont think my times would be a bunch faster but it definitely feels less sketchy. A good barometer is riding with familar riders on there same regular mtb's. My last enduro bike was around 35lbs and this eeb is 48lbs. Maybe the ultimate weight for downs is somewhere between that, and where i cant say for certain, but i can say with 100% certainty that this eeb and its weight feel much better. Im not making any claims of great prowess on the bike but i can tell subtle differences between my bikes. Ive even got some fairly substantiap suspension mods planned and some more subtle wheel tweaks planned yet. I had soo fkn fun yesterday with this bike amongst a big posse, despite working too much this year and riding much less than normal, on this eeb. I was really surprised how playful and uncumbersome its feeling(apples to apples, no implied skill)
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09-01-2019, 03:31 PM #2093
Fuck dood, like youre reading my mind, all those things, spring skiing and pulling overand letting everyone going down pass usually but im doing it easier and more seemless because of it. Just want to ride it every day. Feel back to normal. I hope to be back to being constantly overtrained everyday cause bikes is so fkn fun
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09-01-2019, 04:35 PM #2094Registered User
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I stop on the ups without questioning it now whereas I always had a hard time with that before even though I've always realized that the guy going down may well be going too fast to stop quickly and safely. I also don't want anyone getting pissed when they hear the motor buzzing as I go by so if it's not steep I'll turn it off as I go past people.
Used as a tool like that they make great sense right?
I'm on a hardtail so I'm not any faster on the downs than I used to be but confidence is pretty high due to the stability. I've never been much of a downhiller anyway.
Yeah many body parts are happier due to lower strain, I like that
Did you ever think you'd be giggling while climbing? I sure didn't.
There are some spots where getting started again is a hassle but not so much so that I won't stop when I hear someone coming down.
AGREED!
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09-01-2019, 05:08 PM #2095
Let 5 or 6 friends try it on the singletrack climb to 5620 trail. That touch of added speed climbing in a nice comfy spin adds a bunch of fun on the climb. They were all not even considering an eeb before trying it(they didnt know i had one). A few hundred feet of climbing on a nice singletrack(not too tech but roots and rocks and bumpy) and they were all grinning from ear to ear and totally want one. Is was like lights and bells going off. I couldnt bring myself to switch on the downs though
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09-01-2019, 05:18 PM #2096
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09-01-2019, 05:39 PM #2097
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09-01-2019, 07:26 PM #2098Registered User
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Yup very similar. I still have friends that won't accept the fatbike as a good thing but that's ok because they won't even ride with me anymore because of the e-bike. Whatever...
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09-01-2019, 07:36 PM #2099
Theyre just scared to try it. I havent ridden a fat bike or even ridden with somebody with one. Dude yesterday in the group at the park was shredding with one. I didnt think that was possible. Team t shirt, lycras and a wal mart helmet, zero fucks were given. I was cracking up wayching him giver amongst the baggie short enduro super bikes
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09-01-2019, 07:48 PM #2100
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