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    I finally joined the party with a Niner WFO e9. I went for a little ride to get acquainted on some familiar trails. Holy shit was that fun. I think the new bike will see more use than the moto this summer. At least until I run out of talent and hurt myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotoBeak View Post
    I finally joined the party with a Niner WFO e9. I went for a little ride to get acquainted on some familiar trails. Holy shit was that fun. I think the new bike will see more use than the moto this summer. At least until I run out of talent and hurt myself.
    It is nuts. I didn't ride my moto last summer once other than a couple trials bike sessions. The ebike is that much fun.



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    [QUOTE=skinipenem;7070184]It is nuts. I didn't ride my moto last summer once other than a couple trials bike sessions. The ebike is that much fun.

    Actually SOLD the moto to fund the ebike last Fall. Zero regrets, especially since most of the trails we were riding out in the Big Holes on the moto are ridiculously fun on the ebike. Also probably scored a few bonus points with the wifey as I usually ended up riding solo on a bunch of moto rides and safety-wise probably wasn't the smartest move..... I'm still not giving up pedalling the amish bike by no means but the ebike has been an amazing addition to the quiver. Now to line up an ebike for the wifey.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    I wonder if the guys servicing motors add seals? I think in reading about the guy that services the shimanos, that i follow, was adding seals. I know he's always stressing a particular grease he swears by but i think seals were mentioned.
    I think the new ep801 has a focus on being well sealed and the motor is supposed to pull much better. I'd take that with a grain of salt though and its still not going to be as efficient with the battery. Biggest thing people notice going from shimano to brose or bosch is how much longer they can use boost/turbo. I only have a 540w battery and i try and squeeze in as much eco and trail mode as i can. Eco or trail on pave or rail trail on the way to the mtb trails. A lot of days i wish i had more or its some serious battery management. New sram system is pretty attractive and then brose' new 48v is another step with the added heat management 48v will accomplish. 48v and some added sealing and it may be it but then are we going to get some good options with pinion mgu next year? I think i'll milk mine another year with maybe a 720w battery and/or a cheap rebuilt ep8 upgrade then sell it with the ep8 and rebuilt e8000 with both batteries in a yr or so

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    I been using boost only for the last 2 yrs 4000 km all at low speed, with a 630w battery I can be in boost for about 3-4 hrs depending on what i'm doing after which i'm ready for a beer but I almost never run it flat doing just real mtn biking

    My POV is I bought a bike with a motor some people treat it like a motor with a bike, but we are stuck with the motor/ battery the mfger spec'ed the bike with and i bought a Sanata Cruz Bullit, the shimano mtr was the incidental part. I hear all kinds of smack talk on shimano and there is all kinds of on-line smack talk about the other brands but no body really knows the stats, also the majority might be people who don't really mtb, its all anecdotal so just ride the bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    I been using boost only for the last 2 yrs 4000 km all at low speed, with a 630w battery I can be in boost for about 3-4 hrs depending on what i'm doing after which i'm ready for a beer but I almost never run it flat doing just real mtn biking

    My POV is I bought a bike with a motor some people treat it like a motor with a bike, but we are stuck with the motor/ battery the mfger spec'ed the bike with and i bought a Sanata Cruz Bullit, the shimano mtr was the incidental part. I hear all kinds of smack talk on shimano and there is all kinds of on-line smack talk about the other brands but no body really knows the stats, also the majority might be people who don't really mtb, its all anecdotal so just ride the bike
    I keep fairly up on it because i want to be prepared if/when something goes wrong with my motor. I see this guy in poland refurbishes ep8's with seals and the super quality grease and sells them at a decent price. The ep8 uses the same battery as my e8000 but i just need to splice in a couple connectors to plug my speed sensor and handlebar computer to the ep8. Then ill have 85nm! Up 15nm from my e8000 and his ep8's are a bit better sealed. I avoid riding muddy days as it is so this e8000 has faired well now w 6000km on it now/touch wood. The new ep801 sounds like theyve done a fair bit of improving but its a different system so its no cross compatible. Bosch still hauls the best and can be rebuilt in most countries and gives the most mileage/battery watt so ill probably skip the ep801 and get a bosch bike. Thats the reason a number of companies have changed from shimano to bosch. Im in no rush though. Might just try and swap in a refurbished ep8 and a 720 w battery and milk that for a couple years and hopefully we'll have access to motor gearbox unit(mgu) emtb's by then. Belt drive with a supersealed mgu seems like the dream. 10 minute oil change once a year, swap some brake pads and tires and gtg

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    yeah I read postings on the same site, you get some wanker telling the blog he used to race and he uses the proper cadence which is why motors fail but thats not why EP8's get E010, they fail cuz they are a computer with 2 wheels and sometimes computers just quit working the polish guy knows shit but still i wonder what he can actualy fix with seals & grease cuz the vast majority of reported motor killing problems reported by the end loser are E010 which is suposed to be a sensor or sft and unless he has a way to deal with that WTF eh ? btw I had a lot of intermitent E010 which went away after Shimano went to firmware 4.1.8

    I do think you want to keep the EP8 away from water, fortunatley my area is pretty well drained

    If the EP8 quit working today I think I would just buy a new EP8 from Shimano

    As motors go I think eventualy the pinion with a belt drive will be where its at but thats probably still some years off cuz you gotta market & distribute it
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    I heard the reason most EP8’s fail is a simple lack of punctuation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    yeah I read postings on the same site, you get some wanker telling the blog he used to race and he uses the proper cadence which is why motors fail but thats not why EP8's get E010, they fail cuz they are a computer with 2 wheels and sometimes computers just quit working the polish guy knows shit but still i wonder what he can actualy fix with seals & grease cuz the vast majority of reported motor killing problems reported by the end loser are E010 which is suposed to be a sensor or sft and unless he has a way to deal with that WTF eh ? btw I had a lot of intermitent E010 which went away after Shimano went to firmware 4.1.8

    I do think you want to keep the EP8 away from water, fortunatley my area is pretty well drained

    If the EP8 quit working today I think I would just buy a new EP8 from Shimano

    As motors go I think eventualy the pinion with a belt drive will be where its at but thats probably still some years off cuz you gotta market & distribute it
    You got lucky. E010 is usually, almost all of the time, the torque sensor braking off inside. Looks like the polish guy might be able to fix it. It also looks like the motors he throws away are destroyed from water/mud ingress. The bearings go, axle gets destroyed and motherboard contaminated. An annual grease and avoiding soaking them probably goes a long ways in preserving them. I think he puts a newer/better seal in them. Ive yet to find someone in n america working on shimano though. So bosch still rules for rebuild, parts , power, efficiency, and durability. If you think the durabilities of the motors are similar you still have 4 of definitive reasons to buy bosch. I'd consider a rocky mt/dyname but i think i might miss motor overun and i might even consider a brose/sram now as tge horror story failures seem to have tapered off. Pinion have big $ behind them. I think porsche owns them now. Reviews look quite good from the first few trials thatve came out. People want them yesterday. I wouldnt be surprised if we have a number of bike choices with them next year so maybe ill get one the following year

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    [QUOTE=GravityDT;7070203]
    Quote Originally Posted by skinipenem View Post
    It is nuts. I didn't ride my moto last summer once other than a couple trials bike sessions. The ebike is that much fun.

    Actually SOLD the moto to fund the ebike last Fall. Zero regrets, especially since most of the trails we were riding out in the Big Holes on the moto are ridiculously fun on the ebike. Also probably scored a few bonus points with the wifey as I usually ended up riding solo on a bunch of moto rides and safety-wise probably wasn't the smartest move..... I'm still not giving up pedalling the amish bike by no means but the ebike has been an amazing addition to the quiver. Now to line up an ebike for the wifey.....
    The ebike is replacing the trials bike for me. I bought it mostly for a different way to ride a lot of familiar moto trails. Not that I'm totally bored with moto, just looking to bring some new fun to my riding. Kind of like trying tele if you get bored with a fixed heel. Except ebikes are actually fun! I'll be bringing the moto and the ebike for a visit with friends in Alta and the Big Holes this summer.

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    [QUOTE=MotoBeak;7070857]
    Quote Originally Posted by GravityDT View Post

    The ebike is replacing the trials bike for me. I bought it mostly for a different way to ride a lot of familiar moto trails. Not that I'm totally bored with moto, just looking to bring some new fun to my riding. Kind of like trying tele if you get bored with a fixed heel. Except ebikes are actually fun! I'll be bringing the moto and the ebike for a visit with friends in Alta and the Big Holes this summer.
    Gimme a holler if you like, I could show you some stuff. Heads up, though, this is basically no e-biking allowed at Targhee and the other trails in Alta. (WY). The Big Holes is where it’s at.
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    Team EEB:

    How do you ship an eMTB from Canada (Whistler) to the US (Truckee, CA)? I'm wanting to buy a Transition Repeater I've found, but need it to cross the Maple-Brodozer Divide.

    BikeFlights will ship the ebike so long as the battery is removed, and they suggest finding another company to ship the battery. https://faq.bikeflights.com/support/...ternationally-

    My question is: who ships lithium eMTB batteries from Canada to the US?? Bonus points if you know the ballpark cost. My Google-Fu is coming up empty.
    sproing!

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    I jumped on the mid-power ebike bandwagon, picked up a Heckler SL and sold my Levo.
    https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/andehm/heckler-sl

    I kinda went nuts on the build. No regrets though, this rides so much better for my weight than a 52 lb pig. I can still bang out 4,500 ft in just over 2 hours after work.

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    Wow, you have to look pretty close to even notice that's an eeber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andeh View Post
    I jumped on the mid-power ebike bandwagon, picked up a Heckler SL and sold my Levo.
    https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/andehm/heckler-sl

    I kinda went nuts on the build. No regrets though, this rides so much better for my weight than a 52 lb pig. I can still bang out 4,500 ft in just over 2 hours after work.
    Nice! I'm on the fence with one of those also. There's a Thursday ride with a group of trail builders I'd like to join, but they're all on ebikes to get more laps in. The small battery w/ less weight is appealing

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    One can open up a Yamaha and overhaul in there basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    Nice! I'm on the fence with one of those also. There's a Thursday ride with a group of trail builders I'd like to join, but they're all on ebikes to get more laps in. The small battery w/ less weight is appealing
    Let me know if you have any questions. I'm really pleased with it so far, but have a few minor criticisms. And they're one of the few SC bikes NOT on sale right now, so I bought mine from a shop in Oregon and my buddy who lives there brought it down when he visited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Wow, you have to look pretty close to even notice that's an eeber.
    I think that’s the goal.


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    Well there ya go. You can have fun and continue being a lil bitch about them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andeh View Post
    Let me know if you have any questions. I'm really pleased with it so far, but have a few minor criticisms. And they're one of the few SC bikes NOT on sale right now, so I bought mine from a shop in Oregon and my buddy who lives there brought it down when he visited.
    What are the criticisms? I am *following* this, as I don’t always want to lug around the full power…but I do LOVE 108nm on demand. It’s addictive on the moto trails.
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    I duno about the other brands of motor but with the Shimano E motor there is no way for an LBS who did not sell the bike to you to recover the $$$ for warranty work

    SO even in warranty if you need an LBS to work on a shimano motor/ to get you a new motor you will probably get a bill from him whereas if you bought it from your LBS he would probably eat the labor,

    I seen it happen just something to be aware of, more than ever it might be a good idea to buy local with an E-bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    I duno about the other brands of motor but with the Shimano E motor there is no way for an LBS who did not sell the bike to you to recover the $$$ for warranty work

    SO even in warranty if you need an LBS to work on a shimano motor/ to get you a new motor you will probably get a bill from him whereas if you bought it from your LBS he would probably eat the labor,

    I seen it happen just something to be aware of, more than ever it might be a good idea to buy local with an E-bike
    Not true. YT sent the lbs $ to do my diagnosis. Then YT got shimano canada to send me a replacement motor with a return shipping paid box to send the old mofor back.
    After a million vert they sent me all new pivot bearings for free after chatting with them and recently sent the new derailleur hanger for 12spd derailleurs for free after asking them why i was having to crank tge b tension screw fully on 12 spd derailleurs and wrecking a few. No shop would do tgat that im aware of. Bike is at probably over 1.5 million vert and 20k kms w stock wheels and suspension. Longest bike ive ever had. Its hit a shit ton of jumps. Revy bike park gives a shit ton of both vert and jumps

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    YT decoy is good

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    Not true.
    Are you telling me I don't know what happen to a local when his EP8 shit the bed ?

    Maybe what you really mean is that there are lot of scenarios and In your experience an on-line outfit such as YT MIGHT pay ?

    Maybe local bro did something wrong but the store he took it to charged him cuz no body else was paying
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    What are the criticisms? I am *following* this, as I don’t always want to lug around the full power…but I do LOVE 108nm on demand. It’s addictive on the moto trails.
    Fazua motor related:
    The ring controller sometimes sticks. It seems to be sensitive to overtightening, but other times you can toggle it and it doesn't register the first time. It's kind of a neat idea, but I'd honestly rather just have a 2-3 button controller like most other bikes, preferably wireless.
    They have been promising a range extender since the motor was release but it hasn't materialized yet. Latest rumor is this fall. Not critical, but it'd be nice to have for longer rides with full power ebikes.
    The display is less useful than it could be. It's a 5 color bar LCD, but unlike Shimano it doesn't change each bar according to charge percentage. I was able to pair the ebike with my Garmin to show battery %, but it didn't work with a Wahoo for some reason.
    One time, the motor stopped giving power while still being powered on. Turning it off and on again made it come back and I've never had it happen again, or heard of others having that happen.
    If you stop to talk, faff, or clear crap from trails, the motor goes to sleep faster than the Levo did. No big deal to turn it back on, but minor annoyance.
    The battery seems to drain a little bit faster overnight (~1%/day) when not on the charger, but that could just be because it's smaller to begin with.

    Heckler SL specific:
    The internal routing isn't fully guided tubes like my Nomad. The rear brake is loose in the rear triangle and needs a foam sleeve. When the rear brake re-enters the front triangle, there's a couple inches before it reaches the guide tube, so I had to remove the battery cover to get the brake hose to line up with the guide tube.
    You can't get a build with a shock that has adjustable LSC until the X0 build. The Select+ fork is basically the same as the Ultimate minus Buttercups and extended bushings, but the Select+ shock only has rebound and a climb switch. The shock tune is good but I feel like most people will want to open the HSC and LSC a bit.
    150mm OneUp dropper on medium frame is dumb. Should be a 180, as the 150 is going to be a takeoff part for anyone realistically riding a medium (it's got 457mm reach!).

    That's about it. The bike is very quiet both with motor on and descending. The CS damping rubber is excellent. The shock comes with HBO, which paired with just the right amount of frame progression means the bike uses its 150mm travel very well (stays poppy at start, but on big hits feels like it has more travel than it does). The motor's pedal response feels really natural, better than my Levo's did. It encourages you to pedal more like you normally would, as opposed to just soft pedaling.

    I weigh just over 160 lbs without gear, so my 43 lb HSL is an equivalent percentage of my weight as a 52 lb ebike is for a 200 lb rider. The 52 lb Levo was a struggle to try and ride playfully (popping roller doubles, pulling for jumps, manualling, cutties, etc.). I could do it, but really what it wanted to do was stay stuck to the ground and give you all the traction. The 43lb HSL is much closer in feel to a normal enduro bike. Obviously it's a tad harder to yank, but mostly it just feels normal. Climbing in "rocket" (turbo) is like trail mode on full power ebikes, and if you put some effort in, it's still pretty fast. My heart rate climbing is probably 10-20bpm higher than it was on the Levo with its Turbo, but it's still way lower than pedaling a real bike.

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