Electric Bike Thread

[skinipenem]

The little plastic tool is dirt cheap and handy. LBS had extra and just gave me one. If youre careful youre probably ok with the needle nose but the tool is perfectly shaped so you dont damage those little wires. Good to have on your bike or in your day pack as wdll

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Even with the little tool I would be concerned about frequent connects and disconnects. Others may have more to say about this.

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[XXX-er]

Even with the little tool I would be concerned about frequent connects and disconnects. Others may have more to say about this.

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yeah I would have to agree^^ if you fuck up the connection in the display ( assuming that where you are plugging in ) that could cost way mo money than for a longer cable

[meter-man]

yeah I would have to agree^^ if you fuck up the connection in the display ( assuming that where you are plugging in ) that could cost way mo money than for a longer cable

Thanks for the comments. Good thinking.

If I get a bike with a handlebar computer, I'll just have to swap in the longer cables, so I can loosen/push the computer for mounting. Kind of annoying, but I expect the handlebar mounted computers will be a thing of the past in the next gen of zap-bikes. The new SRAM/Brose computer display is in the top tube. Trek moved that way too in the Rail. Bet other Shimano bikes do too if they haven't already.

[grinch]

Theyll all be bluetooth like that sram.
I dont think those wires need to be plugged and unplugged that often. Wearing out the connection shouldnt be a problem. Ive connected min 3x since new in 2019. Once during the initial assembly. Once I had a problem with my original e8000 and in trying to diagnose the problem i started by checking/cleaning my connections. And once installing the connections at the new motor. Pretty ez with the tool and extra care. Theyre well designed albeit tiny.. people in wetter environment may do an annual maintenance and add some dielectric grease

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[jm2e]

Sram:
-Less modes than the competition
-Requires an AXS dropper.
-TBD whether it has the same failure points as other Brose motors

It gets a solid meh.

X2. Really makes you question the objectivity of Vital “journalists”!

I use all three modes on my Levo and wouldn’t even consider an Ebike with only 2 modes. Variable output is a huge part of what makes it improve my riding experience.
Would never consider a bike that forces me to use their dropper or any other component.
I don’t need my enduro Ebike to shift like a WC XC rig. I need it to shift okay and have a RD I can afford to replace.


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[grinch]

I wish mine showed a % of battery. I rarely use eco. I crawled home the last 8-10 km in eco the other day only to have it shut off a few km's shy of home. Legs tapped pedaling a long travel 55lb bike isnt ideal. Also less than ideal is 5 battery bars that are inconsistent in showing battery range. The last bar isnt near as long as the first

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[grinch]

Its very obvious to me you and I take different drugs

Ah ya ok whatever that means. Whatever excuse you want to use is fine. The scale dont lie bud. If i remember correctly that old girl on the trike is putting on more k's than you. Maybe ill ask her to join the forums next time i see. She can bring you up to speed

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[XXX-er]

Ah ya ok whatever that means. Whatever excuse you want to use is fine. The scale dont lie bud. If i remember correctly that old girl on the trike is putting on more k's than you. Maybe ill ask her to join the forums next time i see. She can bring you up to speed

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well i think your assertions on weight for a full on e-bike have to be drug induced

we don't just run the engine so speeds are slow at the area, its about the time not the kms

also your girl friend couldn't physicaly fit a trike thru any of the local trails

[grinch]

well i think your assertions on weight for a full on e-bike have to be drug induced

we don't just run the engine so speeds are slow at the area, its about the time not the kms

also your girl friend couldn't physicaly fit a trike thru any of the local trails

42lbs stock. Id put heavier tires and a 55mm stroke coil and the fork at 160 so itd be 43.5

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/review-g...te-0-2023.html

So that and the orbea wild make 2 in the mid 40's currently. Should i find more?

My girl friend is doing double your mileage. No excuses bro

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[toast2266]

My full power levo is 48.7 lbs with pedals on my scale. Air shock, but dh casing tires and nothing particularly lightweight component-wise. I could easily take a couple pounds off it if I wanted to.

[XXX-er]

42lbs stock. Id put heavier tires and a 55mm stroke coil and the fork at 160 so itd be 43.5

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/review-g...te-0-2023.html

So that and the orbea wild make 2 in the mid 40's currently. Should i find more?

My girl friend is doing double your mileage. No excuses bro

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sure, how many of them are full power ?

riding around on the road is exciting for about 30 seconds

even following your girlfriend

[grinch]

Those 2 i suggested are full power. Thats kind of why i referenced them.... im trying to help here. Try and keep up skippy. My girl doesnt use seam seal either. Shit gets hand stitched. Goretex level weave stitching 20k/20k straight up
As toast said as well those levos are another and they can be made long travel with a tiny weight gain. Ext coil r shock is basically the same weight as an air shock. Long travel medium levo could easily be 46lbs

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[Andeh]

I dunno about 46 lbs on an LT Levo. Mine's right at 50. Carbon frame, carbon cranks, SDU air shock, Cascade link, Zeb Ult, Reserve 30 AL wheels, Conti DH tires, carbon bar, GX Transmission, AXS dropper. I could see 48 if you ran Enduro casings and light-ish carbon wheels, mechanical dropper & like XTR drivetrain, but I would break/wear stuff out so fast on that.

[grinch]

I dunno about 46 lbs on an LT Levo. Mine's right at 50. Carbon frame, carbon cranks, SDU air shock, Cascade link, Zeb Ult, Reserve 30 AL wheels, Conti DH tires, carbon bar, GX Transmission, AXS dropper. I could see 48 if you ran Enduro casings and light-ish carbon wheels, mechanical dropper & like XTR drivetrain, but I would break/wear stuff out so fast on that.

Nice build. It helps to compaee too. Dt 240's w carbon rims, 170 lyric , regular dropper, enduro tires should bring it under 47 then. What size is yours?
That has me thinking too. Ultra light seat, push on grips(which i prefer anyway and are cheaper), ti bolts on the controls and bottle cage. I wonder if anyone makes ti motor bolts? 6 big steel bolts converted to ti would shed good weight. Im not sure id use ti on calioers or seat posts though. Could be getting in the sub 45 range here and spesh has yet to incorpoeate the newest battery cells. With the new cells plus a 500w battery now we're at 43. Worth noting yamaha, bosch, and brose 500w battery on those motors is equivalent to 650+ on a shimano in terms of distance

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[XXX-er]

Those 2 i suggested are full power. Thats kind of why i referenced them.... im trying to help here. Try and keep up skippy. My girl doesnt use seam seal either. Shit gets hand stitched. Goretex level weave stitching 20k/20k straight up
As toast said as well those levos are another and they can be made long travel with a tiny weight gain. Ext coil r shock is basically the same weight as an air shock. Long travel medium levo could easily be 46lbs

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yeah Giant did it with some battery tech so maybe its coming but most all full power e-bikes are 50+ off the showroom floor, so when all the 7 & 7 inch travel bikes with 85nm and at least 630W of battery have lost 10lbs then you will have something

You remind me of Donald Trump on the phone asking to find 11800 votes

500W is actualy 630 don't you have to not use boost ? you probably been telling the old girl that 2 inches is actualy 6inches

[grinch]

The wild and levo we were comparing are long travel. The levo w that link could be 170 rear/180front. Wild is a great price and that would be 160rear and 170 or 180 front. That giant isnt even the lightest one. The one below it has sram/rock shox no live valve and that bije could easily be made 147 rear/170 front with no weight gain.
Motor/battery range tests show bosch/yamaha/brose very similar but go almost 40% longer than shimano. Fairly well known.
All the companies will have those new cells next year. Giant and Spesh often have tech out ahead of the rest. I guess spesh were waiting for sram/brose to get those cells out to atleast keep pace with giant/yamaha. If bosch doesnt already have those cells they will for next year, and shimano so its safe from tge get go to take 1.5 lb off anybike at this point before the finer details

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[XXX-er]

How much of what you are talking about is mid power as opposed to full power ?

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-...emtb-2024.html


" Santa Cruz claim that the Heckler's 430 Wh battery gives you the same range as a full-power bike with a 630 Wh battery, but I'd say that's not entirely accurate. Sure, that might be possible in the lowest power mode, but in the River and Rocket modes the range is less than a full-power option. "

" I still prefer the increased speed and range of a full-power eMTB, weight penalty be damned. The Heckler SL is like an ice cream cone with one scoop – it's great while it lasts, but once it's gone some riders might be left wanting more. For riders that are into sundaes over single scoops, those who want to binge on all the trails, a full-power eMTB is going to be the way to go "

brrrap eh

[toast2266]

How much of what you are talking about is mid power as opposed to full power ?

All of the bike being discussed make as much or more power than the full power heckler. My 48 lb Levo makes 90 nm, which is 5 more than the full power heckler.

[XXX-er]

well last years Heckler was a full power EP8 but as i read it the new heckler in that link is not full power,

its a Fazua 60nm so thats like an EP8 in trail mode which must be why its lighter

the full power bikes all tend to be 85ish nm,

buddy calls this Heckler a midpower

[grinch]

How much of what you are talking about is mid power as opposed to full power ?

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-...emtb-2024.html


" Santa Cruz claim that the Heckler's 430 Wh battery gives you the same range as a full-power bike with a 630 Wh battery, but I'd say that's not entirely accurate. Sure, that might be possible in the lowest power mode, but in the River and Rocket modes the range is less than a full-power option. "

" I still prefer the increased speed and range of a full-power eMTB, weight penalty be damned. The Heckler SL is like an ice cream cone with one scoop – it's great while it lasts, but once it's gone some riders might be left wanting more. For riders that are into sundaes over single scoops, those who want to binge on all the trails, a full-power eMTB is going to be the way to go "

brrrap eh

Yes full power. Im comparing apples to apples, which only makes sense. But i stand corrected. Its more in the 25-30% extra range with bosch,brose, yamaha in order from 25ish to 30ish. Rocky looks to be best with around 50% longer than shimano.
This test is on identical track in boost mode. Check at the 7 minute mark or tgere abouts for tge graph

https://youtu.be/tpgehOrFZwg?si=EVAr4fNIFcmRggtZ

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[rideit]

I have the Rocky, and I still want the 250 add on powerpak.

[XXX-er]

rocky uses its own mtr which is different than everyone else, I think the rocky motor is running at a much higher voltage or sft

I think as long as a bike is more or less are in that full power category and the motor stays running thats good enough for me

I buy a bike that has a motor not a motor that has a bike attached

but I don't get midpower

[grinch]

Ya im with ya. Full power is the way to go. It allows me to use boost on our slow plodding tech trails. Theyre still slow but i can put my seat down an inch or 2 everywhere and carry momentum and play more on the flats. Really opens up lines.I could say shimano is the best because i have shimano but thats not the case. Im still having a blast on it even at 70nm and a 540w battery and its much better than not having anything. Pretty much any current full power motor would be an improvement, ep8 included. I may just get a bigger battery , who knows what next year brings. Ive been saying cooling/heat management will be the next thing. Spesh is possibly switching to 48v for that reason. The tiny wires like auto sensors use because of less heat. I wonder why motors arent chrome or atleast not black.
Rideit must be putting on the miles. I'd like to try the rocky/motor. Mountains do chew up the battery quite a bit more. I probably get almost an extra hour in boost here out east than BC. Using less than 1/4 of the brake pads too

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[g_man80]

well last years Heckler was a full power EP8 but as i read it the new heckler in that link is not full power,

its a Fazua 60nm so thats like an EP8 in trail mode which must be why its lighter

the full power bikes all tend to be 85ish nm,

buddy calls this Heckler a midpower

There are two Hecklers now. A full power Heckler and mid power Heckler SL.

[summit]

60nm is enough torque that I run out of traction before I run out of torque.

I love my Relay... also I've ridden it bikepark sans battery... very fun.