Electric Bike Thread

[XXX-er]

I was thinking about this important question and just like not swimming when I go WW kayaking I try not to be in walk as much as possible

walking/ pushing a bike up the hill I didn't clean the walk mode does not have to be very fast, I'm just glad its there, sometimes the Shimano seems to not engage so just hit the switch again

I find the ability to shift to an easier gear using walk mode just standing there is pretty handy but i don't use it for chain lube

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Damn, why havent i been using it fpr lubing the chain! Mental error on that one

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[XXX-er]

I meant to say move the chain while lubing the chain as opposed to using it FOR the chain lube

You want the xpurt thread bro but I know what you mean

[grinch]

Hold the walk button, while shifting and pouring lube on? Seems difficult w 2 hands.
Went and rode Saint John tech yesterday. I had to use the walk mode for one hike a bike section. It sux. It goes off and on as you try to keep the button depressed over tricky terrain. All good as i found a very nice emtb zone at rockwood park. Lots of funky rock slab climbs and fun little jumps thrown in all over. Great mix of jank and flow

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[Dantheman]

Velotric is running a pre-BF sale that has the T1 ST Plus at $1150. 70 mile range, torque sensor assist to 28 mph, integrated lights, puncture-proof tires, I'm extremely tempted. I figure it would cut my hour commute to 40-45 minutes, and would be really nice on days when the south wind is going and the headwind pushes the travel time to more like 1:15-1:20.

[XXX-er]

I'm an E-bike snob so can't help ya but they seem like one of them bikes made out of chinesium that catches fire, but upon googling velotric at least do have dealers so maybe you can at least get service IF they can get parts, a lot of people buy something on-line and there is no real support

[Andeh]

Mini rant at the stupidity of speed limits on ebike firmware. Do they not know that anyone that really wants to mess with that stuff will buy a chip on ebay and go 35 mph?

I got a new motor under warranty. Old one worked fine but was noisier than it should have been, the out-of-state shop I bought it from ran the video clips by Fazua and they agreed to replace it. Shop is out of state so offered to connect me with a nearby Fazua dealer for install, or ship it to me to install if I was competent. I got the motor, swapped it over no problems. Well, except that it came direct from Germany apparently and is flashed for the euro 15.5 mph speed limit and 29" wheels. Public software doesn't let you change that stuff. I call nearby shop and ask if I can bring it by for them to flash that, they said that even though they have the dealer software, it won't let them change that stuff. They have to call up Fazua North America, get them on Team Viewer, and then they will change it remotely. JFC, paranoid much? When I had a Levo and the motor got replaced under warranty, the mechanic showed me the Specialized dealer software and offered to set my wheel size as 20" so that I could go 30mph.

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Hmmm, so when will we see the new special eds. 50kph to the trail head on a new kenevo would be sweet. Good for the pedally jump trails around here too

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[grinch]

I guess i shouldve added that it be near impossible to reach 30mph on almost any trail that isnt a non tech downhill, without a throttle and/or 1000w motor with 150+nm of tourque

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[XXX-er]

I just passed the 5500km mark all at < 13KPH

yesturday I rode my saw up to the top of the area in 1st gear had to stop 3 times and what a slog

[Andeh]

Yeah on my local trails I never hit the limit. But on the streets going back to my house, there's a hip jump off the side of the road you can hit where you are pedaling as hard as you can in 12th gear, and I hit the 20 mph limit about 50' before the jump. And on another local spot, you are climbing up through a busy neighborhood (25mph posted speed limit but all the cars go 40), and there's a section that's flat and you're just trying to get through without getting clobbered by a speeding car, and I was hitting the throttled down 15.5 mph limit in eco mode on that today.

[grinch]

Well no one has jumped in and lost their mind because of this topic. Eebs seem to be generally acceptable these days and most atleast understand how they work. A yr or 2 ago thered be more than a few people nearly stroking out in here at the first mention of someone considering a higher top speed

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[toast2266]

Narrowing the gap between ebikes and surrons is a bad idea.

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[joetron]

Well no one has jumped in and lost their mind because of this topic. Eebs seem to be generally acceptable these days and most atleast understand how they work. A yr or 2 ago thered be more than a few people nearly stroking out in here at the first mention of someone considering a higher top speed

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Nah, we’re just chuckling at the thought of not being able to go fast enough to hit a jump.
After this week….I’m all out of arguing.


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[jackstraw]

Narrowing the gap between ebikes and surrons is a bad idea.

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Yes.

Eebs are good and bad. New riders on them are...new...not good riders...and no etiquette. Good riders are doing more laps and more errosion is happening... especially steep punchy ups. Eebs should have to do 40hrs trail work per year...mandatory!

[XXX-er]

The builder & maintenance guys at the local area sez there isn't more wear from e-bikes

new riders of any kind are not good riders and no etiquette,

the bigger problem is that they are American and therefore hate each other and everything

so exactly who is glaring/ hating on whom when they pass each other, ?

I do and did cut a lot of blow down becuz I can ride with a Silky BIG BOY 24/7

so with a 2 saw quiver of a BIGBOY and Sthil 261 I can cut anything

it took an E-bike to get the saw up high on sunday cuz ever one was waiting for someone else to do it

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Trail karma for you. Happy shredding

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[jackstraw]

The builder & maintenance guys at the local area sez there isn't more wear from e-bikes

the bigger problem is that they are American and therefore hate each other and everything

There is definitely more trail erosion. It quite simple math X'er. We used to do 2-3 laps and now we can do 3-6 laps at a much higher speed on the ups.

We guided a group of Candians from Ontario who were completely lost up the the maze of trails and back to their cars. If they were Americans we would have let them stayed lost.

[toast2266]

The builder & maintenance guys at the local area sez there isn't more wear from e-bikes

new riders of any kind are not good riders and no etiquette,

the bigger problem is that they are American and therefore hate each other and everything

so exactly who is glaring/ hating on whom when they pass each other, ?

I do and did cut a lot of blow down becuz I can ride with a Silky BIG BOY 24/7

so with a 2 saw quiver of a BIGBOY and Sthil 261 I can cut anything

it took an E-bike to get the saw up high on sunday cuz ever one was waiting for someone else to do it

Aren't you in a pretty remote part of BC though? That's probably not a particularly representative sample of actual ebike impacts.

That said, impacts on the trail tread are like 3rd or 4th on the list of reasons why getting rid of speed limiters will be problematic.

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[grinch]

Would the added maintenance attributed go people having emtb's and the added miles of trail built quicker because of emtb's make that simple math not so simple? I know that i do atleast twice, and probably closer to three x, as much trail work, both in planned days and during my regular rides

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[jackstraw]

Would the added maintenance attributed go people having emtb's and the added miles of trail built quicker because of emtb's make that simple math not so simple? I know that i do atleast twice, and probably closer to three x, as much trail work, both in planned days and during my regular rides

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I do 90% of my work via my commuter eeb and yeah that aspect is amazing. But I've been building for 20+ years and the majority of trails have been built without the use of eebs. The work would still get done just at a slower pace.

I'm not anti eeb, but there are negatives to them, so one cannot be blinded by that fact.

[XXX-er]

The builder/ maintenance guy/ association exec are all on E-bikes no body seems to care around here, trails are being built all over BC with gov money & supervision so a lot of it is paid work, class1 allowed, no class 2 no class 3 no horses no motor vehicals

they also ride E-bikes in yurp with no problms, the problem seems to be in America so is it Americans acoustic riders or the American e-bikers who have to put up with them ?

I know I've had to speak to an American Acoustic bike rider and so far he has been the only probelm

5500 kms at < 13kph means more speed would'nt do anything for me so I'm OK with class 1 Andeh got himself into a prediciment so now he asserts he could just buy a chip to get around it so why not make it so he doesnt have to ?

[toast2266]

Would the added maintenance attributed go people having emtb's and the added miles of trail built quicker because of emtb's make that simple math not so simple? I know that i do atleast twice, and probably closer to three x, as much trail work, both in planned days and during my regular rides

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I think it just varies a lot from trail to trail.

The long backcountry epic that gets more maintenance because it's easier to access on an ebike? Clearly ebikes are a net benefit to the trail condition.

The local flow trail that's easily accessible and gets a ton of traffic even without ebikes? More traffic and heavier bikes are definitely a net negative.

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[grinch]

I do 90% of my work via my commuter eeb and yeah that aspect is amazing. But I've been building for 20+ years and the majority of trails have been built without the use of eebs. The work would still get done just at a slower pace.

I'm not anti eeb, but there are negatives to them, so one cannot be blinded by that fact.

I remember youre not an anti, just adding stats. I have a few friends with a few different trail building companies. Theyre all on emtbs , especially when building. Theyve added a lot of trail mileage. If a reg eeber does 2-3x as much work and a few ambitious trail companies, that use eebs to build, make a sizeable contrubution to trail inventory that should cover the previous trails over use or atleast close, on average

I think it just varies a lot from trail to trail.

The long backcountry epic that gets more maintenance because it's easier to access on an ebike? Clearly ebikes are a net benefit to the trail condition.

The local flow trail that's easily accessible and gets a ton of traffic even without ebikes? More traffic and heavier bikes are definitely a net negative.

Friends that are pro builders use eebs to session the jumps, like some instructors use eebs to session sections. Its quicker and more efficient.

All of this doesnt even include added rider advocacy. Numbers and money talks

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