Soccer team lost in Flooded coves

**MTT** · 07-04-2018, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Cono Este

When the water is rising you will go where ever you have to go.

1 1/2 miles talked a good college swimmer 30 minutes in a nice lap pool on a sunny day.

Now take those conditions to the worst possible aquatic conditions imaginable. It’s probably a journey of several hours. Meaning switching tanks etc but like Iceman said, if the water level drops, then you may have multiple rest stops along the way etc.

if the water level drops.

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From what I am reading it's the beginning of the monsoon season. It appears it could shortly get much worse, the point where even the Seals, Extreme divers could not get from A to B.
Seems success would be getting everyone out without rescuers getting killed.

This is harry and for from over.

**bad dancer** · 07-04-2018, 10:23 PM

Those divers are savages at the very least. Bad ass to the core. Those kids are prbably pretty bad ass themselves just for going into that cave as often as they did. The water punping can really only happen near the entrance of the cave as they really dont have the hose in as far as the kids are. Water is coming in from so many places. I imagine there is even a bit of a current.
IfI was a betting man I would say that they will leave those kids in until the monsoon season is over.

**happytimefunbox** · 07-05-2018, 07:48 AM

Mp 1ml i ill

**Cono Este** · 07-05-2018, 08:44 AM

Something else to consider is the o2 level where they are trapped.

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**Game Over** · 07-05-2018, 11:37 AM

What if anything is keeping the water from rising higher with the monsoons?

**east or bust** · 07-05-2018, 12:03 PM

already been mentioned, but what are the logistical challenges with drilling a shaft? that seems like the tactic with the highest chance of success to me. surely would take less 2-3 months..

**abraham** · 07-05-2018, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by east or bust

already been mentioned, but what are the logistical challenges with drilling a shaft? that seems like the tactic with the highest chance of success to me. surely would take less 2-3 months..

I think they are ~3000 feet below the surface

**Cono Este** · 07-05-2018, 12:21 PM

Hard to get a drill rig that’s big enough on top of those caves. You can’t just drive a big rig through the jungle and unload it, let alone 10 rigs. It would take weeks to prepare the site.

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**highangle** · 07-05-2018, 12:49 PM

It's also not obvious on the surface exactly where to drill.

Google "mine surveying" and maybe get a feel for the challenges involved in extending a 3D coordinate system underground.

Divers (particularly SEALS) can dead reckon by compass and pull a rope for distance to roughly survey an area. This is accurate enough for artillery and diver routefinding, but not for an 8" drill hole where a miss is as good as a mile.

Drilling: Serious business, like drilling a relief well, only worse. Unless they bring bigassed oil drilling rigs, they have no way to drill a hole big enough to line with iron pipe to A. keep the hole from "heaving" (collapsing somewhere), B. to keep water out of the hole, and C. to ram larger diameter "conductor" pipe down around the pilot hole to effect a rescue.
Then, you can't vent drilling medium under pressure into the cave complex once the bit arrives on target...

So, not only do need a very precise point underground for a drill to aim for, you have to stop short and somehow have a dry hole at atmospheric pressure before you punch through the last few feet into the hollow space underground where those fragile kids are.

**east or bust** · 07-05-2018, 12:51 PM

figured there had to be some reason that option wasn't being considered. sounds like they are pretty fucked if the last couple posts are accurate

**hikesalot** · 07-05-2018, 01:59 PM

Saw this posted on CBS news

**Flyoverland Captive** · 07-05-2018, 02:23 PM

They’re going to turn into C.H.U.D.s by the time the monsoon waters subside.

**Cono Este** · 07-05-2018, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by highangle

It's also not obvious on the surface exactly where to drill.

Google "mine surveying" and maybe get a feel for the challenges involved in extending a 3D coordinate system underground.

Divers (particularly SEALS) can dead reckon by compass and pull a rope for distance to roughly survey an area. This is accurate enough for artillery and diver routefinding, but not for an 8" drill hole where a miss is as good as a mile.

Drilling: Serious business, like drilling a relief well, only worse. Unless they bring bigassed oil drilling rigs, they have no way to drill a hole big enough to line with iron pipe to A. keep the hole from "heaving" (collapsing somewhere), B. to keep water out of the hole, and C. to ram larger diameter "conductor" pipe down around the pilot hole to effect a rescue.
Then, you can't vent drilling medium under pressure into the cave complex once the bit arrives on target...

So, not only do need a very precise point underground for a drill to aim for, you have to stop short and somehow have a dry hole at atmospheric pressure before you punch through the last few feet into the hollow space underground where those fragile kids are.

And you need power at the site.

The Chile rescue already had all that, power, roads etc. no comparison. Might as well just blast.

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**happytimefunbox** · 07-05-2018, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheFugitive

Mp 1ml i ill

Pocket post lol.

**iceman** · 07-05-2018, 03:13 PM

I was wondering. Not sure I've seen one of those before this.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 07-05-2018, 03:19 PM

How the hell do they have enough oxygen down there? Does O2 dissolved in the water make it's way out into the cave?

**Flyoverland Captive** · 07-05-2018, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

How the hell do they have enough oxygen down there? Does O2 dissolved in the water make it's way out into the cave?

They are pumping oxygen in.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 07-05-2018, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Flyoverland Captive

They are pumping oxygen in.

ah ok.

**Game Over** · 07-05-2018, 03:31 PM

http://video.foxnews.com/v/580564487...#sp=show-clips

Eye opening interview with a former SEAL

**Cono Este** · 07-05-2018, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by steepconcrete

http://video.foxnews.com/v/580564487...#sp=show-clips

Eye opening interview with a former SEAL

Navy Seal. “I wouldn’t want to do it”

Sums it up.

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PB · 07-05-2018, 07:04 PM

Seriously doubt those kids could last 4 months until the caves drain naturally without severe physiological and psychological consequences.

**alias_rice** · 07-05-2018, 07:12 PM

Can you imagine what those parents are feeling? Must be debilitating.

**splittin** · 07-05-2018, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by flowing alpy

saw a pic of the coach today, he looks young.

Saw the coach is also teaching the kids meditation. Hopefully that will ease their minds now and be practiced after being that they will be traumatized.