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  1. #26
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    Damn I wish those fit me.

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    Might cost a kidney or 1st born but...........

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  3. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    had that in my cart with three left, went to get my wallet and they were gobbled by the parsimonious TGR dentists. suppose i should have paypal'd that one.

  4. #29
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    The super 3r is all over the internet for $160. Still a great helmet at that price.

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    Just the visors on those bells that drive me nuts. Just aesthetics but Iíd go by a moto shop and try and score a cheap , longer and more square edged, visor to adapt to that super

  6. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    Oh ok. Makes sense. Iím thinking itís a sweet option after trying it on. I guess I didnít expect it to fit me as well as it did. Iím trying to ditch the camelback in favor of this mid size fanny pack Iíve been using. Thatís why I was leaning toward that new bell super but I could where the proframe on the up and just stick the cheek pads in the fanny pack ez. Camelback gets hot and uncomfortable climbing a sun baked fireroad
    I modified my Bontrager fanny pack with a couple of Lock Laces bungies looped through the bottle carrier to hold my Leatt (and before that Bell) chinbar. It works pretty well for climbs, but it flops around a bit so definitely worth putting it on for descents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andeh View Post
    I modified my Bontrager fanny pack with a couple of Lock Laces bungies looped through the bottle carrier to hold my Leatt (and before that Bell) chinbar. It works pretty well for climbs, but it flops around a bit so definitely worth putting it on for descents.
    Yes thatís what I was thinking. My midsize fanny pack has external holder for my knee pads and itíd be ez to put the chin bar in there. Or atleast until I tried that proframe and we started discussing the possible fit without cheek pads. Theyíre nice and also dh certified. Iím still thinking theyíd be better/perfect with a dial/boa to secure them like a half lid when the cheek pads are out. With the air flow on the chin bar on the proframe itíd be close to a half shell or atleast without the cheekpads. Super ez to store those. I think Iíll probably procrastinate until the Troy Lee one comes out to compare. Decent price on the proframe I saw today(large in black or medium in yellow at the sale price)

    https://www.competitivecyclist.com/f...roframe-helmet

  8. #33
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    Small and Medium Giro Switchblades for $125:
    https://www.bikenashbar.com/cycling/...t-gi-swt-md-mp

    Reports of chin bar coming off in a crash have me waffling, though...someone please buy them out of Mediums so I don't have to think about this.

  9. #34
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    Chin bar coming off...and not going back on? Or like the release buttons get bumped in a crash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Chin bar coming off...and not going back on? Or like the release buttons get bumped in a crash?
    Not sure, the only incidents I've heard of are helmet-totaling crashes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddball View Post
    Small and Medium Giro Switchblades for $125:
    https://www.bikenashbar.com/cycling/...t-gi-swt-md-mp

    Reports of chin bar coming off in a crash have me waffling, though...someone please buy them out of Mediums so I don't have to think about this.
    I mean, is the chin bar coming off in a big crash necessarily a bad thing? If it take a big impact and breaks, it's kind of done it's job. Almost like a crumple zone in a car. I don't know if a crash is likely to have multiple impacts to the front of the head, or if it's really the initial impact that causes the damage.

    I have no actual knowledge about it either way, but my first instinct wasn't to dismiss the helmet as not safe enough.

  12. #37
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    I think the same. My wife got a concussion while wearing a ski helmet fat biking this winter and the helmet was no worse for the impact. She would have been much better off destroying a weaker one. (Old foam, but warm ear covers. Oddly, I had to take it from her even after that.)

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    Are convertible full-face/half-shell helmets worth it?

    Not sure but the way I understood it was the latches on the side released during a crash. Not sure how much resistance during a fall but it didnít sound like a crumple zone type scenario . Iíve tried one on. It fit me well. Nice lid. Also put it on the back burner after hearing of the chin guard malfunction. Not sure I like the lower ear protection when itís a half shell either. Just guessing itíd be hot or atleast a fair bit hotter than the new bell

  14. #39
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    Ah. Yeah, that sounds like a malfunction then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supermoon View Post
    Ah. Yeah, that sounds like a malfunction then.
    Read all about it:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/apparel-prote...e-1041207.html

    if you can get past the pointless arguing, that is

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    Check out the MET Parachute
    https://rotoramerica.com/collections...ucts/parachute

    We just brought MET in for distribution in North America I donít have any time in the Parachute yet, but itís got good reviews from Euroland.
    Itís wicked light and has some cool features.

    Iíve been riding in the Roam for the past week. Great lid. Light, comfy, good protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supermoon View Post
    I mean, is the chin bar coming off in a big crash necessarily a bad thing? If it take a big impact and breaks, it's kind of done it's job. Almost like a crumple zone in a car. I don't know if a crash is likely to have multiple impacts to the front of the head, or if it's really the initial impact that causes the damage.

    I have no actual knowledge about it either way, but my first instinct wasn't to dismiss the helmet as not safe enough.
    Riding some DH this weekend i saw a penny on the side of the trail amongst some cut logs. Ended up cracking my visor, and had shards of wood sticking out of the vents on my chin. Very happy that the chin doesnt detach or crumple or i would have needed emergency dental surgery 2+ hours from the nearest dental surgeon. First time i put my expensive Carbon D3 w/MIPS to use and am very happy with he result. I had an older cheap Giro full face previously and would get my bell rung a little bit each time i hit my head at all. This time, even while i was in the fetal position making weird noises with the air knocked out of me i had the thought "wow i cant believe my head is totally fine".



    you want crumple zones (the crushable foam, or mips, or ability for helmet to rotate slightly when the chin catches), but you also dont want the helmet to explode or disintegrate or you will get your face dented in. A car has crumple zones AND a roll cage/no-crush zone so the passengers don't get crushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    Riding some DH this weekend i saw a penny on the side of the trail amongst some cut logs. Ended up cracking my visor, and had shards of wood sticking out of the vents on my chin. Very happy that the chin doesnt detach or crumple or i would have needed emergency dental surgery 2+ hours from the nearest dental surgeon.



    you want crumple zones (the crushable foam, or mips, or ability for helmet to rotate slightly when the chin catches), but you also want a damn rollcage to that you dont get your face dented in.
    Yeah. That makes sense. I hadnít really thought through all of the scenarios. I was thinking of it flying harmlessly off to the side somewhere, but the more likely scenario is that it would just get pushed backwards.

  19. #44
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    chin bars exploding sharp plastic bits into my face sounds far worse than eating dirt...
    i dont trust any of the first few versions of the removable style full faces, havent messed with latest versions so cant comment, they need to be super solid and have serious padding or else are more of a liability than a help, when you smash your face into the ground the helmet is gonna move and your face is going into that chin bar no matter what, if its not padded that sharp plastic is gonna do some damage to your grill, legit full dh lid for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    I saw a penny on the side of the trail
    I'm going to have to remember this for the next time I wreck myself.

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