poopers

[Mr. Mike]

school me. Smallmouth stream fishing has sucked here this year because it's effin' rained every 2-3 days or more frequently since about May 1. It's killing the best time of the year for me. But, last time I was on the river there were monstrous carp hanging in a foot or so of water mudding away. What's my first move? Ok, my 2nd move because my first move was to toss a 3 inch long streamer about a foot away from them and strip the hell out of it because that's what I do for smallies when sightfishing and with some success usually. The carps were not impressed.

[skifishbum]

2 kinds
happy and unhappy
dont waste time casting on the latter
and try not to convert the 1st ones
once they know your presence
your odds are very low
down size dramatically from 3" and rarely will the aggressively eat or chase
there is no defending space attacking instinct or chasing down a fast strip
that fly needs to show up in front of their face as quietly and nonchalant as it can
i rarely throw anything with weight in the head
they dont like the splash and you need to strip a weighted fly to fast to keep it from sinking outta the strike zone
theyll eat about anything but sometimes maddenly nothing
its addicting
dont start

[skifishbum]

and if you do start
consider hiring a life coach
with poopfishing life skills

[billyk]

and if you do start
consider hiring a life coach
with poopfishing life skills

So, what do you do with those suckers? Is there anyway to prepare them so they taste OK? Or just give it to the dogs?

[neckdeep]

So, what do you do with those suckers? Is there anyway to prepare them so they taste OK? Or just give it to the dogs?

You have to cut the lateral line out of the filet. The lateral line is more sensory organ than meat. AKA the blood line or mud line, it's the oily reddish stripe running down the filet. That is the where the strong flavor comes from. Other species (like stripers or catfish) also improve in flavor if the blood line is trimmed from the filet but with common carp removing it is pretty much mandatory. A brief soak in salted water or milk will pull out some more fishyness.

Even so, it's still a bit fishy; perhaps more so than most Americans like to eat. The rest of the world loves the stuff. Don't saute up a simple filet like it was Dover sole or halibut; it needs something more than lemon and butter (unless you like a strong flavored fish like mackerel). It works best with traditional Asian and African recipes like curries, braises and spicy fish stews. Carp has been on the menu there for millennia. Pair it with strong flavors like ginger, garlic, shallots, spices, curries, chilies, fermented bean pastes, shaoxing wine, etc.. If you'll eat farm raised tilapia or catfish, then you probably won't balk at the flavor of properly filleted carp. Of course, the quality of the water is reflected in the quality of the meat. Carp feeding in muddy, algae slime water are going to taste crappy. Carp from clean rivers and lakes are what you want. I've read that bighead and silver carp are better (i.e. less fishy) for the table than the common carp but that common carp is much better than the lowly mud carp most often eaten in Asia. I have only tried common carp.

[Underoos]

I use corn. Hot dogs don’t stay on the hook good.


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[neckdeep]

That's how we would catch them when I was a kid. Fishing corn on the bottom for trout.

[dfinn]

bread dough

[happytimefunbox]

Been slaying the poops lately. Gotta have the right fly though. This one has been getting it done for me but is kinda hell on the backcast. I only fishit on 12 ft spey utilizing the highly technical double lindy cast.

[happytimefunbox]

You have to cut the lateral line out of the filet. The lateral line is more sensory organ than meat. AKA the blood line or mud line, it's the oily reddish stripe running down the filet. That is the where the strong flavor comes from. Other species (like stripers or catfish) also improve in flavor if the blood line is trimmed from the filet but with common carp removing it is pretty much mandatory. A brief soak in salted water or milk will pull out some more fishyness.

Even so, it's still a bit fishy; perhaps more so than most Americans like to eat. The rest of the world loves the stuff. Don't saute up a simple filet like it was Dover sole or halibut; it needs something more than lemon and butter (unless you like a strong flavored fish like mackerel). It works best with traditional Asian and African recipes like curries, braises and spicy fish stews. Carp has been on the menu there for millennia. Pair it with strong flavors like ginger, garlic, shallots, spices, curries, chilies, fermented bean pastes, shaoxing wine, etc.. If you'll eat farm raised tilapia or catfish, then you probably won't balk at the flavor of properly filleted carp. Of course, the quality of the water is reflected in the quality of the meat. Carp feeding in muddy, algae slime water are going to taste crappy. Carp from clean rivers and lakes are what you want. I've read that bighead and silver carp are better (i.e. less fishy) for the table than the common carp but that common carp is much better than the lowly mud carp most often eaten in Asia. I have only tried common carp.

Cannot tell if serious or elaborate troll to have billy eat a poofish???

The taking em from clean water makes me think not troll. I couldn't imagine eating one from the polluted superfund site near the lindon boatharbor where SFB showed me the ways but maybe a golden bone from the gorge might taste less like hot garbage? Think I would just pickup the other rod in the boat and throw streamers to the dropoff on the edge of the flats the bones are on and pickup a rainbow if I'm that hungry.

I'm now considering bringing a carp souffle to the BBISoli19 POTluck.

[billyk]

Cannot tell if serious or elaborate troll to have billy eat a poofish???

The taking em from clean water makes me think not troll. I couldn't imagine eating one from the polluted superfund site near the lindon boatharbor where SFB showed me the ways but maybe a golden bone from the gorge might taste less like hot garbage? Think I would just pickup the other rod in the boat and throw streamers to the dropoff on the edge of the flats the bones are on and pickup a rainbow if I'm that hungry.

I'm now considering bringing a carp souffle to the BBISoli19 POTluck.

Yeah, interesting info, but I’m not interested in eating suckers. Not a big fan of most fresh water fish, although trout are OK. As far as people eating them world wide, I guess people will eat most anything if they get hungry enough.

[ill-advised strategy]

When I was a youngster, there were epic sucker runs ("redhorse suckers"..they called them ?) in my river of childhood. They went up to a dam and there were a million of them below the dam. I would snag a shitload of them with giant treble hooks and my mom and her friends would make a big gross fish stew and bury all the heads and guts in the garden.

Hillbilly stuff.

[neckdeep]

Cannot tell if serious or elaborate troll to have billy eat a poofish???

The taking em from clean water makes me think not troll. I couldn't imagine eating one from the polluted superfund site near the lindon boatharbor where SFB showed me the ways but maybe a golden bone from the gorge might taste less like hot garbage? Think I would just pickup the other rod in the boat and throw streamers to the dropoff on the edge of the flats the bones are on and pickup a rainbow if I'm that hungry.

I'm now considering bringing a carp souffle to the BBISoli19 POTluck.

Carp is the world's largest aquaculture product. Carp is more widely consumed worldwide than salmon or shrimp. The Chinese have been farming carp for 2000 years. The common carp, which I believe is what Dibs is catching, was once considered to be such a valuable fish that its use was designated for China's imperial courts. The peasant markets were restricted to selling the less desirable mud carp. Look it up!

I guess it's like comparing venison to beef. Just as venison is gamier than beef and gamier than most Americans want to eat, carp is a bit more fishy than what appeals to most American's sense of taste. IMHO, it isn't any worse than tilapia.

[::: :::]

Been slaying the poops lately. Gotta have the right fly though. This one has been getting it done for me but is kinda hell on the backcast. I only fishit on 12 ft spey utilizing the highly technical double lindy cast.

Cheese doodle & what? Is that a baby seal brain?

Haven’t tried that fly yet...

[gretch6364]

The New Flyfisherman did an episode up in Alcova.


https://youtu.be/lGEay8ghbcI

Looks like fun. I would make that drive from Denver, but I don't have a boat.

Have 7 wt....will travel for poopfish ;-)

[Shredhead]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uqykDINEcGo

Rookies

[Dantheman]

^^^The jumpers are Silver Carp which are supposed to be tasty.

[Soups]

Never eaten carp and probably never will. I would be willing to try it though. I remember hearing as a kid that smoked carp was supposed to be pretty damn good.

Catching them is fun though.

[billyk]

Never eaten carp and probably never will. I would be willing to try it though. I remember hearing as a kid that smoked carp was supposed to be pretty damn good.

Catching them is fun though.

I would at least try a bite. I mean, it couldn’t be worse than lutefisk, could it? I managed to get some of that down without barfing.

[2FUNKY]

^^^The jumpers are Silver Carp which are supposed to be tasty.

Asian carp and are invasive and will destroy a waterway. Once they’re in they are impossible to remove.

Smoked carp is very good.

[skifishbum]

grassies suck there are hudge sterile ones in the fishin ranch i belong to and the fuckers wont eat anything i throw

The New Flyfisherman did an episode up in Alcova.


https://youtu.be/lGEay8ghbcI

Looks like fun. I would make that drive from Denver, but I don't have a boat.

Have 7 wt....will travel for poopfish ;-)

in a lot of situations the less water displacement and the stealth of the sup
keeps em happy way longer especially in shallower water
and in the wind shores best sometimes

[JerseyDave]

Carp are great fun on a bow. Used to stalk them on the Passaic River back in Jersey as a teenager. Whacking 3 foot fish as they rooted around the mud flats from the high banks was a good time. They were spooky when up in the flats so there was some challenge. When we got one we would just push the arrow through to unscrew the fishing tip to pull the arrow out and throw the beasts back with a big hole in them. Then would swim away. Must have shot 100 or two over those years. Never any shortage of carp to plug the next weekend.

[skifishbum]

thats odd catch and release bow fishing
most of the bow fucks round here
manage kill shots and leave the carcasses to rot and stench

[JerseyDave]

thats odd catch and release bow fishing
most of the bow fucks round here
manage kill shots and leave the carcasses to rot and stench

Bow fucks? Aren't we so high and mighty. Just sending them back to be fed upon by their own kind. Kill shot. Hilarious. You have no clue what you're talking about. Fishing with a bow is the tradition in the Americas as much as a hook. Carp are garbage coming out the Passaic. Think every cut throat you hook on a fly and release live? Judge not....

All Carp are "Asian" and could be considered invasive. It's all relative to the location. In Qc, fishing for Atlantic Salmon they think Rainbow Trout are garbage. There's a sign posted where you buy your daily permit to destroy them if you catch them. Following that ethic, all the carp you catch should be thrown in the bushes.

In the Mirmachi in New Brunswick....the Stripers coming into the estuary every spring are a blight. "You'll catch one on every cast!", our guide told us in frustration when talking about the spring Salmon season. My Dad laughed afterwards thinking about all the guys back home in Jersey hunting relentlessly for Stripers on the Jersey shore all spring. Catch a Striper on the Mirmachi....throw it on the bank to die. Lol.

[skifishbum]

hey bro ask your buds to clean their mess
put em in the garden garbage or whatever
only assholes leave dead shit they killed to rot and stink
and yes it takes immensely more skill to get em to eat vrs the under 10' shot with a compound bow
but keep yappin like you know what your talking about
even if it isnt what the op asked