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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    ???
    Per their facebook they are done for the year due to mechanical issues with the upper lift. Tried to post a screenshot but phone won't cooperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowaddict91 View Post
    Per their facebook they are done for the year due to mechanical issues with the upper lift. Tried to post a screenshot but phone won't cooperate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beartooth Basin
    Well folks, we’re sad to announce an early closure to our season for more lift maintenance issues. It’s been a year of challenges, and we just can’t seem to catch a break.

    It’s the challenges that make us stronger. We’ll keep dreaming big and pouring our hearts into this place.
    Thanks to everyone who came up this season, those who tried, and everyone else that shared a moment of stoke with us.
    Long live locally owned community ski hills and don’t ever lose the #spiritofskiing.!! ����
    I was hoping to ski lift-served Wednesday just because July 4, but I'll settle for hiking. Serious bummer for the Basin crew, they've had more than a few challenges this year after not being able to open two of the last three due to low snow, and it's a super-cool establishment.

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    For all those interested in the Beartooth Pass conditions, here's an update.

    They're good!

    I hiked up and around the Gardiner Headwall yesterday, did some snow climbing and general fucking around. You could ski here for a day or two and be very entertained.

    Sadly, I was also informed that the upper lift had broken on the summer ski area. Seemed like a bummer, but hell, there's a ton of area up there to hike for turns.

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    I'd add that much of the terrain at the headwall is overhung by large 10 - 30' cornice. I scouted the ridgetop in the photo above, and ended up descending far lookers left into the dogleg chute on the southeast ridge. The stuff closest to the road is the most skiable. If you're into climbing snow and using ropes, some crampons and rappeling could get you into several pretty cool slots in the middle.

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    Anyone know what Rock Creek Headwall is looking like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucknau View Post
    Anyone know what Rock Creek Headwall is looking like?
    I went up yesterday for some laps to find out the lift was down. I just moved to Belgrade so I'm not familiar with the area but did take some photos on the way down. I think have one of the headwall but can't post because of new account. I can send it separately if you want

  6. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucknau View Post
    Anyone know what Rock Creek Headwall is looking like?
    As of 3:00 p.m. yesterday, it looked like you'd be straightlining on one ski to avoid downhiking on the apron. Aside from that one spot, the main line looked perfectly skiable almost to the bottom (far enough down that you can go below and traverse under the boulder field on foot, rather than walking across it). I'd assume there'd be some downhiking involved at this point, but most of the main line should still be skiable. Other options would definitely be more sporty (most of them have melted out at some point in the line, I think there may be a skiable option next to main line if your definition of "skiable" includes a lengthy straight run at 35 degrees or so).

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    Beartooth Pass conditions?

    Yeah, wicked bumbed!! Got up there yesterday and their main lift (1#) broke so that was out... needless to say ended up finding some pretty great creamy turns!! Still plenty of snow up there for anyone needing their July day!
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    Regarding camping

    I camped right off FR 2412. The road up is in decent shape (my stock landcrusier made it up fine). Once you pass over Hellroaring creek there are several places that you can set up camp! I chose right next to the creek.
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    For those of you looking at heading up there next year (@alpy). Throw these into google maps and it will take you there (45.0477620,-109.4508590).

    A few other things: AT&T has great LTE service in Red Lodge and maybe 3-4 miles down the road. After that there is no service until you are out of Yellowstone on the Cooke City side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiLyft View Post
    Regarding camping —

    I camped right off FR 2412. The road up is in decent shape (my stock landcrusier made it up fine). Once you pass over Hellroaring creek there are several places that you can set up camp! I chose right next to the creek.
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    Ah, yes. I know that road well. You been up to the end up of it? The Hellroaring Plateau trailhead. Quite a site to behold. About a half mile hike beyond that is where I proposed to my now wife, actually! Looked like some great skiing back up in there too, but all some serious hike-out terrain, so never did it. I mostly stuck to the stuff right off the highway for easy laps.

    Thanks for the memories. Saw your pic and recognized it right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiLyft View Post
    Regarding camping —

    I camped right off FR 2412. The road up is in decent shape (my stock landcrusier made it up fine). Once you pass over Hellroaring creek there are several places that you can set up camp! I chose right next to the creek.
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    For those of you looking at heading up there next year (@alpy). Throw these into google maps and it will take you there (45.0477620,-109.4508590).

    A few other things: AT&T has great LTE service in Red Lodge and maybe 3-4 miles down the road. After that there is no service until you are out of Yellowstone on the Cooke City side.
    I'd note that 2412 being in "decent shape" is a matter of some debate. I tried taking my parents up that way when they visited, in an older XTerra, and the bouncing around on the first 50 yards was enough that they asked me to turn around. It's not difficult driving (as long as you're not in a low-slung vehicle), it's just a f***ton of babyheads that bounce you around and require attention to line choice. I don't know if you went beyond that camp spot or not, but (a) that's usually about as far as you can get around the time the pass opens (the slope just uphill from there tends to hold snow longer than most and the road stays covered) and (b) there are a couple of spots not much above that where there is barely enough room for a full-size truck. I've done it, but my girlfriend was holding on to the oh-shit handle really tight on the way back down.

    On the cell-service note, I can usually get AT&T service on the higher ground in the vicinity of Top of the World store, albeit not on the road itself. The road to Clay Butte lookout tower goes high enough to get service, and occasionally I pick up service elsewhere (e.g. earlier this year getting a text at the top of Gardiner Headwall and going "WTF?").

    Verizon service is available at the state line parking lot; it's not great, but usable, according to my friends with said provider.

    And re: Austin's comment on skiing off Hellroading—yeah, I've been tempted repeatedly, but it's just such a slow PITA to drive up that damn road. I need to get the KTM working and figure out how to carry skis without catching the tails on the bike getting on/off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum View Post
    I'd note that 2412 being in "decent shape" is a matter of some debate. I tried taking my parents up that way when they visited, in an older XTerra, and the bouncing around on the first 50 yards was enough that they asked me to turn around. It's not difficult driving (as long as you're not in a low-slung vehicle), it's just a f***ton of babyheads that bounce you around and require attention to line choice. I don't know if you went beyond that camp spot or not, but (a) that's usually about as far as you can get around the time the pass opens (the slope just uphill from there tends to hold snow longer than most and the road stays covered) and (b) there are a couple of spots not much above that where there is barely enough room for a full-size truck. I've done it, but my girlfriend was holding on to the oh-shit handle really tight on the way back down.
    I used to go up and down it no problem in my stock Trailblazer. However, one thing that IS good to have is some bomber tires. Those rocks can be pretty sharp! I had the kevlar lined Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armors at the time. Last time I went up there I think I was sporting some meaty BF Goodrich all terrain tires. Either way, I think most vehicles with decent clearance and off-road capability can do it all no prob, even a Subaru, but I probably wouldn't want to go up there with standard highway tires. They'd probably pop! Haha.

    Quote Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum View Post
    And re: Austin's comment on skiing off Hellroading—yeah, I've been tempted repeatedly, but it's just such a slow PITA to drive up that damn road. I need to get the KTM working and figure out how to carry skis without catching the tails on the bike getting on/off.
    Good thinking. There were some great looking lines for sure, but I remember peering down over the edges of the plateau and thinking that is going to be a LONG slog back out of there. Could be the reason I haven't encountered any skiers back there. I have seen hunters though and was told by them they had seen momma and baby grizzlies up top, so be bear aware for sure (a given in the area), and always have that bear spray on you! Man, I love that place. So raw. Yet so close to town!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinFromSA View Post
    I used to go up and down it no problem in my stock Trailblazer. However, one thing that IS good to have is some bomber tires. Those rocks can be pretty sharp! I had the kevlar lined Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armors at the time. Last time I went up there I think I was sporting some meaty BF Goodrich all terrain tires. Either way, I think most vehicles with decent clearance and off-road capability can do it all no prob, even a Subaru, but I probably wouldn't want to go up there with standard highway tires. They'd probably pop! Haha.
    You don't say?



    I think I was under 1500 miles on the truck at that point. At least the weather was nice and I was able to confirm that all of the standard OEM emergency tire-change equipment works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum View Post
    You don't say?



    I think I was under 1500 miles on the truck at that point. At least the weather was nice and I was able to confirm that all of the standard OEM emergency tire-change equipment works.
    HA! No way! That's hilarious. In retrospect, I mean. Was probably annoying at the time. With Goodyear Wranglers no less! Yikes! Were they SilentArmors?

    Either way, yeah folks. If that happened to anotherVT in that ride, don't take your rental crossover SUV up there. Lol. At least you got a great photo out of the ordeal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum View Post
    I'd note that 2412 being in "decent shape" is a matter of some debate.
    I suppose if you are familiar with wheeling; know how wide your rig is, and where your tires are its not bad as far as FR go. Notably the first 50 ft are the worst IMO.

    Just go slow...

    A stock Landcrusier has 9.5 inches of clearance I am using Michelin LTXs (a road tire).



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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinFromSA View Post
    HA! No way! That's hilarious. In retrospect, I mean. Was probably annoying at the time. With Goodyear Wranglers no less! Yikes! Were they SilentArmors?

    Either way, yeah folks. If that happened to anotherVT in that ride, don't take your rental crossover SUV up there. Lol. At least you got a great photo out of the ordeal!
    Some of that was just less-than-ideal luck, I happened to snag a sidewall on the way up. Girlfriend asks as we get to the top, "what's that hissing?", I flip to the TPMS screen and confirm that I'm well down on the right-front tire. I've been up before on not super-rugged tires (Cooper M+S), but that was in a substantially lighter rig. That incident did lead to buying AT tires much sooner than planned...they may be cheap AT tires, but they're still far more rugged than the factory HTs. (and yes, they were Goodyear Wrangler HTs, not anything that one would generally recommend for rocky terrain...but they did fine traction-wise, just not in durability). And yes, quite amusing in hindsight; at the time, I was mostly happy it was sunny, not windy, and hoping that I could avoid cutting another sidewall on the way back down.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkiLyft View Post
    I suppose if you are familiar with wheeling; know how wide your rig is, and where your tires are it’s not bad as far as FR go. Notably the first 50 ft are the worst IMO.

    Just go slow...
    Yes, it's doable in anything with Subaru-or-greater clearance and 4WD if you know how to drive (and really, 4WD is mostly a nicety, I'm sure it could be done with 2WD). It's just not entirely pleasant in anything not setup to soak up the bouncing. And yes, maintenance-level-2 forest roads go, it's not bad at all. But there are three grades of forest service road above 2, and the only one below it is closed

    Back on topic, Rock Creek looks to be effectively done (I mean, it's skiable with downhiking, but it ain't contiguous across the apron, and there's better snow up high). Gardiner is still in pretty damn good shape, although the cornice at the top of Hourglass is starting to look sketchy (big crack in a substantial section of it). It may not come down soon, or it may, but I think I'll be minimizing time below it until that big chunk moves. Snow was really enjoyable through most of the run, but the apron/runout is getting bumpy enough to bounce me around on Lhasas, so either take it slow or make sure you've got someone to video for you.

    The walk out of Gardiner does require crossing a bit of dry ground now, and it looks like the amount of non-snow bootpacking will rapidly increase in the next week or two. Hanging is still in really good shape, too.


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    Rock Creek Headwall on 7/6. Lots of downhiking through the boulder field. Everyone else i saw was skiing GardnerClick image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwalk View Post
    Rock Creek Headwall on 7/6. Lots of downhiking through the boulder field. Everyone else i saw was skiing GardnerClick image for larger version. 

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    Tip: stay to skier's left of the boulder field, then traverse below it. It's a less-direct route, but it involves a lot less scrambling.

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    Thinking of driving to Helena via the best tooth pass (I know its not on the way) but wondering how the conditions are looking. Well be skiing w the gromettes so not looking for death hikes more of a shuttle type situation. Gardner?

    Thanks


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    Main line on Gardner still looks good, and you can also just ski down from the road on the parking lot side and hike back up if you want a shorter run (although that is melting out at this point). Hike out of Gardner was probably half dry, half snow yesterday and could easily be no snow at all if that's your preference. I'll try to remember to post pics later.
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    Gardner:



    Hourglass is getting a bit sporty in the choke, as is the "in-between" line, but overall there's still a ton of snow. Lots of melt out on the hike out / easier run down from the road, but that is south-facing.

    Closer look at the Hourglass choke:


    The Basin is still holding a f***ton of snow, and the melt over the last couple of weeks has actually smoothed things out there a bit. That was my first run Saturday, and the turns down Chute 2 may have been the best of the weekend.




    Oh, and Rock Creek would now involve an extended downhike, two lines looks like they go to about the top of the apron:


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