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Thread: Praxis Lhasa Pows?
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06-20-2018, 09:58 AM #51Dad core
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I would be interested in a light layup 191 normal or fat for winter touring if the price was reasonable and they came in at 7-8lbs for the pair.
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06-20-2018, 11:29 AM #52
I'd be in for a 191 Lhasa fat.
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06-20-2018, 12:06 PM #53Registered User
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Indeed. It gets really confusing when people say "carbon" these days.
But frankly, I don't know enough about ski design to understand the difference in feel/dampness and weight between a full carbon ski with, say, an ash or maple core versus a hybrid carbon-glass layup with a primarily paulownia core. What are the real advantages of a full carbon ski these days? I can't say I've noticed a difference in performance between say the DPS Wailer 105 (full carbon) and the Blizzard ZeroG 108 (hybrid?)."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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06-20-2018, 01:07 PM #54glocal
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It pretty much depends on how you ski and what weight you like, whether you're a carver or a skidder and what you want in hardpack performance. That means a carbon layup is synergistic with the core, as you mentioned. A lighter core might not be as damp as a heavier core but will certainly be light for skinning. The performance in powder won't be considered as crucial in comparison to the chatter/dampness on rough frozen. The ideal, imho, is tuning the core to the carbon so the ski flexes and the rebound doesn't rocket you up off the snow too much while having that good skin weight and enough dampness to make frozen crap bearable and manageable.
It's hard, if not impossible, to get optimum characteristics for all the variable performance characteristics. Shit, people are still shooting for that in every layup and shape out there. It's about finding the ski that performs for you. Carbon is a mutherfukker to do in wet layup. I kick myself in the ass for not having used prepreg carbon for the consistency in results when pressing and the added assurance that there will be no air voids in the carbon fiber. Those voids are usually what cause a carbon ski to break. This is why the hybrid layup can have good weight while being more durable and more damp with more easily predictable behavior in varied conditions. It's all about how the ski core works in conjunction with the composites, along with the shape, that gives a ski it's on snow performance characteristics.
Overall, I think the 191 Fat was the most outstanding Lhasa for all around performance. The only mags I might recall getting reverse camber 191 Fats were whyturn and stuntcock. I'd like to get stuntcok to pipe up on what he thinks about them, just cause I've never asked. We heli-tested the 186s in Pemberton and have skied in Mammoth together, so I'd value his opinion greatly.
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06-20-2018, 05:25 PM #55tinkerer
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I wouldn't be in for one at least for a bit. You should though. My 191s (second pair) are going strong. So much fun. Unfairly stable for their weight, and quite agile.
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06-20-2018, 05:52 PM #56
Any thoughts on price targets?
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06-21-2018, 11:59 AM #57glocal
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If we got 20 preorders, $850. If we got 30 or more preorders, $800.
I recently bought back the very last pair of pure carbon 191s made on Vashon from detrusor for $1250.
He hadn't mounted them and I wanted a quiver of my skis.
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06-21-2018, 02:22 PM #58
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06-21-2018, 04:33 PM #59
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06-21-2018, 05:28 PM #60
i could use another pair of kusalas
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06-21-2018, 05:49 PM #61
Never been on a pair of Lhasas, but I’d be in line for a fat pow ski that weighs less than 8 lbs...
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06-21-2018, 07:51 PM #62
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06-21-2018, 10:04 PM #63Registered User
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06-21-2018, 11:44 PM #64
Splat. Are 99mm waisted bros with tip rocker at 179 an option in this preorder?
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06-22-2018, 12:33 AM #65
Praxis Lhasa Pows?
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06-22-2018, 07:14 AM #66
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06-22-2018, 08:05 AM #67glocal
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It's all about the number of preorders made. Right now the pressing could start on December 1 and Keith can do 20 pair a week. I'd love to see most of the bros made again by Praxis and shapes like the 179 and 183 Fat would be two I'd love to see done. Keith is a good dude and I wish I'd have had him make that last batch that we got screwed on that killed PM Gear. He's right up the road and we get along great.
Lindahl - you still got those killer 191s I made for you? Those were beauties....
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06-22-2018, 08:38 AM #68
I've never had a PM gear ski but they have looked interesting. I am certainly part of the problem as the cost of PM gear skis has always been higher than alternatives available to me. That is not to say that they are not good value of overpriced, simply that good skis have been available cheaply.
So here is the questions. "What exactly is a PM Gear ski made by Praxis". Is it just a PM Gear shape with a Praxis construction or is it a PM Gear shape with a construction superior to what Praxis already produces?
How honest is the ski industry about replicating the designs of other? Are there trademarks and patents for shapes?
If the product being discussed here is "Splat gave us the molds for a Lhasa Fat and Praxis is making it with our standard construction options" I am not sure how much of a premium that is worth over regular Praxis pricing.
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06-22-2018, 08:43 AM #69
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06-22-2018, 08:46 AM #70
I have no duckets for preorder but 191 Lhasa fats have always given me the tingles in my naughty bits. I like the PM Gear topsheets and the light blue with brown detail or black with blue detail are gorgeous.
And Fog Gogs questions are salient to the topic. It might be up there in previous post and I missed itBunny Don't Surf
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06-22-2018, 09:02 AM #71Registered User
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From the sounds of it, $800-850 (per Splats early post) is pretty much in line with Praxis non-custom pricing. Based on that, I'm guess we're talking PM Gear molds, with Praxis construction. Probably add a hundro for carbon as per Praxis' usual.
Praxis construction is pretty fucking rad on the ones I've had (Yetis and Protests). My Lhasa hybrids are great too.
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06-22-2018, 10:06 AM #72
Yup, Praxis construction has always been pretty solid in my book. I haven't bought new skis in a few years, so I guess I can justify the expense, but like FG's comments, it is tough for me to pay "full retail" as I haven't done that forever.
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06-22-2018, 12:00 PM #73
This is very good news. I am in a place where paying retail for a ski is not a sound financial move, because my quiver is in great shape, and just scored a pair of Mantras cheap, but, all I can say is, if anybody is considering new skis, think seriously about putting your money down. I adore my Llasha Pows on soft days.
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06-22-2018, 03:22 PM #74
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06-22-2018, 06:48 PM #75
I think auvgeek had those stiff 191 Fats.
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