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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    No, it sounds dangerously close to “who gives a fuck about a fucking WOMENS game”
    Fixed it for you.. Sad but true.. But honestly the LGBTQ community are huge women's basketball and soccer fans so I kinda see them on the hot seat here to decide how to proceed. And however the women's pro leagues go the colleges will follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    Based on the numbers, 1.5 seems generally accepted for having an intersex trait and .5 as having clearly identifiable physical discrepancies. Given the long history and plentiful stories of hermaphroditism throughout history, 0.5 seems like a pretty conservative number. And clearly, it is on some kind of spectrum, like pretty much every other aspect of biology
    Based on what numbers? Are you generating numbers on your perception of historical recollection of the remarkable and trying to make up a number that FEELS right to you like that is a valid statistic?

    Again I have referenced the discredited paper that made up a 1.7% number and explained why it was wrong. Here is a simple explanation calling out basic flaws in her study shortly after she published it: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

    I've personally read over 3000 newborn delivery notes. None mentioned hermaphroditism. That is not surprising because there incidence rate is probably less than 1 in 5000 births.

    The 0.01%-0.1% number for intersex is quite valid.

    Unfortunately there is a strong desire amongst ideological advocates to inflate numbers massively because they believe it empowers their cause. To do this they make up statistics or draw a massive circle including populations that muddy definitions beyond the point of meaning and utility while generating a plumper percentage to quote in the media which is then repeated until it becomes "truth." There is so much noise in this topic because it is ideologically driven. If you look at the number quoted on wiki for it, none of the 4 documents actually links to primary sources but instead to things like pamphlets. One site actually at least mentions the researcher who I mentioned is the source of the discredited 1.7% number, but still doesn't link to her work, and actually quotes it at 0.05%. I point back to this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

    Saying that intersex is 1.7% or 1.5% doesn't do intersexed people any favors if the true number is 0.018%. Claiming it is a spectrum does not help intersexed people. It is 100% not about intersexed people.

    Some people are born missing limbs and digits. Yet just because there are abnormalities nobody disputes the concept that humans are bipedal animals with two arms/legs and 5 digits on each appendage.

    And, even if intersex was 1% instead of 0.1% or 0.01%, that abnormality does not negate the sexual binary, not in the least. The exception does not disprove the rule. It confirms it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    Why? Sounds like neuroses to me.
    I thought the objective of games was to have fun
    You don't think people derive pleasure from competition? I guess I just don't know what to tell you if you can't understand that concept. Hell, people get that pleasure even when they're not the one taking part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    You don't think people derive pleasure from competition? I guess I just don't know what to tell you if you can't understand that concept. Hell, people get that pleasure even when they're not the one taking part.
    This website is chock full of counterculture, rebel types with bad memories of jocks from high school, so it shouldnt come as a surprise that placing a large emphasis on the merits of athletic competition and team sports is met with a chorus of booos.

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    The thread is risen. Praise be unto the mods.

    But back to my point. Chess. Wtf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summit View Post
    Based on what numbers? Are you generating numbers on your perception of historical recollection of the remarkable and trying to make up a number that FEELS right to you like that is a valid statistic?

    Again I have referenced the discredited paper that made up a 1.7% number and explained why it was wrong. Here is a simple explanation calling out basic flaws in her study shortly after she published it: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

    I've personally read over 3000 newborn delivery notes. None mentioned hermaphroditism. That is not surprising because there incidence rate is probably less than 1 in 5000 births.

    The 0.01%-0.1% number for intersex is quite valid.

    Unfortunately there is a strong desire amongst ideological advocates to inflate numbers massively because they believe it empowers their cause. To do this they make up statistics or draw a massive circle including populations that muddy definitions beyond the point of meaning and utility while generating a plumper percentage to quote in the media which is then repeated until it becomes "truth." There is so much noise in this topic because it is ideologically driven. If you look at the number quoted on wiki for it, none of the 4 documents actually links to primary sources but instead to things like pamphlets. One site actually at least mentions the researcher who I mentioned is the source of the discredited 1.7% number, but still doesn't link to her work, and actually quotes it at 0.05%. I point back to this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

    Saying that intersex is 1.7% or 1.5% doesn't do intersexed people any favors if the true number is 0.018%. Claiming it is a spectrum does not help intersexed people. It is 100% not about intersexed people.

    Some people are born missing limbs and digits. Yet just because there are abnormalities nobody disputes the concept that humans are bipedal animals with two arms/legs and 5 digits on each appendage.

    And, even if intersex was 1% instead of 0.1% or 0.01%, that abnormality does not negate the sexual binary, not in the least. The exception does not disprove the rule. It confirms it here.
    That’s just like, your opinion, man

    Seriously, you’re fucking triggered over this. Comparing limbs to gonads is apples and oranges. Before I go into the rabbit hole of data, do you seriously believe the plethora of hermaphroditism in history and lit is based society experiencing some nearly invisible .01? Bitch/Butch, please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post

    But back to my point. Chess. Wtf.
    I answered that a few pages ago



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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Shirk View Post
    I answered that a few pages ago



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    Yeah. Young dudes are nerds. Young females have boobies.

    But. Why the Fuck are there sex categories in chess. And why did a dude wear a niqab to pretend to be a woman to beat women?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    But. Why the Fuck are there sex categories in chess.
    Now that's a good question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summit View Post
    Based on what numbers? Are you generating numbers on your perception of historical recollection of the remarkable and trying to make up a number that FEELS right to you like that is a valid statistic?

    Again I have referenced the discredited paper that made up a 1.7% number and explained why it was wrong. Here is a simple explanation calling out basic flaws in her study shortly after she published it: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

    I've personally read over 3000 newborn delivery notes. None mentioned hermaphroditism. That is not surprising because there incidence rate is probably less than 1 in 5000 births.

    The 0.01%-0.1% number for intersex is quite valid.

    Unfortunately there is a strong desire amongst ideological advocates to inflate numbers massively because they believe it empowers their cause. To do this they make up statistics or draw a massive circle including populations that muddy definitions beyond the point of meaning and utility while generating a plumper percentage to quote in the media which is then repeated until it becomes "truth." There is so much noise in this topic because it is ideologically driven. If you look at the number quoted on wiki for it, none of the 4 documents actually links to primary sources but instead to things like pamphlets. One site actually at least mentions the researcher who I mentioned is the source of the discredited 1.7% number, but still doesn't link to her work, and actually quotes it at 0.05%. I point back to this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

    Saying that intersex is 1.7% or 1.5% doesn't do intersexed people any favors if the true number is 0.018%. Claiming it is a spectrum does not help intersexed people. It is 100% not about intersexed people.

    Some people are born missing limbs and digits. Yet just because there are abnormalities nobody disputes the concept that humans are bipedal animals with two arms/legs and 5 digits on each appendage.

    And, even if intersex was 1% instead of 0.1% or 0.01%, that abnormality does not negate the sexual binary, not in the least. The exception does not disprove the rule. It confirms it here.
    Stop making sense! Your logic and facts have no place in this conversation!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    That’s just like, your opinion, man

    Seriously, you’re fucking triggered over this. Comparing limbs to gonads is apples and oranges. Before I go into the rabbit hole of data, do you seriously believe the plethora of hermaphroditism in history and lit is based society experiencing some nearly invisible .01? Bitch/Butch, please
    Vitriol and ridicule, it’s the best argument that woke people and magatards have


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    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    Before I go into the rabbit hole of data, do you seriously believe the plethora of hermaphroditism in history and lit is based society experiencing some nearly invisible .01? Bitch/Butch, please
    I'm guessing it's way overrepresented because it's interesting in a prurient sense. We're also interested in women with full beards and people who weigh 1,000 lbs, but that doesn't mean either of these is close to being common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    Yeah. Young dudes are nerds. Young females have boobies.

    But. Why the Fuck are there sex categories in chess. And why did a dude wear a niqab to pretend to be a woman to beat women?
    Male dominated sport due to males wanting to play at a young age. When it got more traction for females, they were behind as were their ratings, so they branched out to create a more even playing field. I don’t see why the couldnt combine them now but there are still far more male players than female and it’s not because they are smarter. They just start earlier. However you slice it, a female tournament won’t be as competitive across the board because outcome = innate ability + time and historically females have been shorter on time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    This website is chock full of counterculture, rebel types with bad memories of jocks from high school, so it shouldnt come as a surprise that placing a large emphasis on the merits of athletic competition and team sports is met with a chorus of booos.
    I'm surprised to hear the meanest girls at your school were jocks. That was not my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    How do we define the "women" who will be deciding?
    It's a conundrum.

    And why are people talking about intersex all of a sudden? It has little to do with trans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    It's a conundrum.

    And why are people talking about intersex all of a sudden? It has little to do with trans.
    Classic TGR red herring

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    Saying someone must stick with the anatomy they are born with suggests that someone born missing a leg or with a clef pallet should just roll with God gave them too.. Boob jobs hair replacement, boner pills, HGH, on and on.. If you don't have a problem with that you shouldn't have a problem with a male wanting to look and act more like a female or a female wanting to look and act more like a male.. Either call out everyone who medically/chemically alters their body to look and FEEL more attractive than they were or STFU..
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    ^^ discussion is about possible athletic advantages trans women may have over cis-women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    ^^ discussion is about possible athletic advantages trans women may have over cis-women.
    ^^^And I already said that's probably ultimately for the women's pro leagues to sort out. Whatever they decide will cascade down to college and varsity high school. Checked out the WNBA and WNSL lately? Those and the women in competitive sports are the key stakeholders here. I'm good with whatever THEY decide. It likely won't be what the white crhistian mafia in congress wants though,
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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    You don't think people derive pleasure from competition? I guess I just don't know what to tell you if you can't understand that concept. Hell, people get that pleasure even when they're not the one taking part.
    Competition is great - brings out your best, teaches you that you can do more than you thought possible if you dig deep.
    It’s the big focus on “winning is good, losing is bad” that I have a problem with.

    I played on a Jr All-star hockey team while in HS. We did fine against teams in PNW USA but every time we went up to BC for a tournament we got our asses kicked. So what - We still had a great time, learned some things and met some great kids, a couple who actually laced up skates in NHL.

    I also raced bicycles until I was 41, a lot of that time as lead out for sprinters. My results on paper sucked but my sprinters knew I could get them into the best position. There’s pride in that without being first across the line. And nobody but me and a couple of others on our team gave a flying fuck about standings the next day

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    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    All kinds of ways to compete.

    I never really was a ball game kind of kid. I played backyard football and tried to play tackle football in 7th grade and I was just too fucking small and didn't like the idea of hitting. A definite disadvantage to a pigskin career.

    I have rotten vision so I couldn't hit a baseball, I could field OK, throw well and run fast. Not a 5 tool BB player. I did enjoy track and running distance and swimming but never at a competitive level.

    I am actually pretty competitive and raced XC MTB for about 5 years and enjoyed the hell out of the stress on race days and it was fun so there ya have it. Competition comes in many forms. Like people.
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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    ^^^when you raced, how focused were you on hardware vs beating your time goals?

    I was usually the latter. I learned early on that there were always about 10 guys better than anyone else, and luck was about 50% of the deal in XCO. I was also known to turn myself inside-out for a preme that I wanted, even if it meant barely finishing…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    I know this isn't a laughing matter, but this post is kinda hilarious and ironic at the same time given the context of TGR.

    I personally could care less about what people want to do in regards to their gender identity, surgery, hormones, etc. Like I've said before, universally all the transmen I have seen as patients are generally sad, depressed, some hopeless. They often lead very lonely/isolated lives with little support from family/parents in many cases. I have never had transwomen as patients, so no experience.

    That said, when it comes to athletics, it is a different issue as it does potentially affect others and it is a valid topic or concern. I don't think someone should be pegged a bigot or homophobe or whatever else if they question the validity/ethics/physiologic advantage of biologic men/transwoman participating in female sport. It is the kneejerk reflex in today's society to immediately attack those that ask valid questions, and not actually answer the question being asked. The ability to influence or change the opinion should be the goal, not a personal attack.

    I bet if someone here had a son that was transitioning and could tell an anecdotal story about the difficulties they faced, or if someone had a daughter who was continually beat by a trans-athlete and was sharing a shower with someone with a penis, we'd probably all listed more intently. Instead, it's mudslinging accusations of bigotry, trans-phobia, and all the rest.

    “look at me, I think every trans man is a failure, and get butthurt when people call me a bigot for generalizing. Oh, and I watch a movie of a guy who think trans people are fake and should be prohibited, and banned from society”

    anyways, back to old farts and glory days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    “look at me, I think every trans man is a failure, and get butthurt when people call me a bigot for generalizing. Oh, and I watch a movie of a guy who think trans people are fake and should be prohibited, and banned from society”

    anyways, back to old farts and glory days.
    Butthurt? Is that acceptable nomenclature?

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