Justify atheism. Please

**nest** · 06-14-2018, 11:37 PM

Turtles all the way down

**Bunion 2020** · 06-15-2018, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by jono

Certain uncertainty is like mountain bike tires: there are 3 options, so pick one and be a dick about it.

End of discussion. Thanks for that one.

**ex-powderbroker** · 06-15-2018, 06:55 AM

**XXX-er** · 06-15-2018, 08:18 AM

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trin...sion-1.4707240

this is great, Christian law schools in Canada lose the right to mess with people and call it religious freedom

**highangle** · 06-15-2018, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by jono

Speaking of which

WTF? Weak troll is weak. You miss one oblique reference to Hawking radiation as a remote possibility for learning Anything about the inside of a singularity and start babbling about English in the divinely inspired days of King James? Be better.

Tell us more, jojo.

**Peruvian** · 06-15-2018, 12:49 PM

Is there a single religious text that mentions dinosaurs or multiple mass extinctions millions of years prior to mankind?

What kind of asshole deity does that and then doesn’t mention it when divinely sharing the history of the world to those he created in his image?

**GeezerSteve** · 06-15-2018, 01:03 PM

**highangle** · 06-15-2018, 01:40 PM

Why does that image remind me of a tabby cat in a top hat with a monocle smoking a cigar while riding a psychedelic flaming nuclear death unicorn?

**mcski** · 06-15-2018, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Peruvian

Is there a single religious text that mentions dinosaurs or multiple mass extinctions millions of years prior to mankind?

What kind of asshole deity does that and then doesn’t mention it when divinely sharing the history of the world to those he created in his image?

Good point. But at least as far as the OT god goes, he has a pretty well established record of assholery. Compassion nyet.

**SumJongGuy** · 06-15-2018, 02:06 PM

Our world has to have enough pain, death and destruction to give believers hope that a better place awaits as well as fear that a worse place is also a possibility. God definitely allows tragedy to happen, sometimes on a global scale.

**highangle** · 06-15-2018, 07:21 PM

Who's making the tragedy that God definitely allows? God, right?

**SumJongGuy** · 06-15-2018, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by highangle

Who's making the tragedy that God definitely allows? God, right?

Depends on if you believe in free will or not for man caused tragedy. As for nature and earth.. quite possible that some of that is man caused or influenced as well right? If you believe in free will then God allows it.. If you believe every action is 100% God orchestrated and there is no actual free will then ya, God authors tragedies. Regardless, to a believer the only place where we're not susceptible to horror is in heaven. Down here.. or farther down there awful tragedies are a fact of life and death..

**Tippster** · 06-15-2018, 07:51 PM

The current reading of "Free Will" is a cop out for an "all LOVING God," and even Christians changed the dogma about 1000 years after Christ to add "The Devil Made Me Do It," which isn't in the Bible. Originally the Devil just offered alternatives, man still made the choice.

Pantheism is so much better at that shit. Oh, I fucked the neighbor's 10yo? NO! It was (insert trickster or evil god/demon here.)

**highangle** · 06-15-2018, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

Depends on if you believe in free will or not for man caused tragedy. As for nature and earth.. quite possible that some of that is man caused or influenced as well right? If you believe in free will then God allows it.. If you believe every action is 100% God orchestrated and there is no actual free will then ya, God authors tragedies. Regardless, to a believer the only place where we're not susceptible to horror is in heaven. Down here.. or farther down there awful tragedies are a fact of life and death..

All-knowing God knew the number of hairs on your head before he created the universe. He knew what you would do and when you would do it before He put you on earth.
Where's the "free will" in that?

"God orchestrated"? God Created.
God created The Debbil, God created your children. God created the tornado that tore up the trailer park and the Flood that killed the dinosaurs and giants.
Name me a single person place or thing in the Universe that God didn't create.

**BeardMech** · 06-15-2018, 08:26 PM

Everything? Name one thing "god" created and prove how you know it was "god"

**iceman** · 06-15-2018, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by BeardMech

Everything? Name one thing "god" created and prove how you know it was "god"

He's not saying, he's just saying. Keep up man.

**iceman** · 06-15-2018, 08:35 PM

Well, God could choose not to cheat could he not? He could set in motion something the result of which even he could not know, if he chose to make it unknowable, no?

**highangle** · 06-15-2018, 08:36 PM

I'm trying to point out the profound incompatibility between "Free will" and a transcendent God. There's nothing an omniscient transcendent God could not know.

**BeardMech** · 06-15-2018, 08:37 PM

Oh yeah, see what hes sayin g

**BeardMech** · 06-15-2018, 08:39 PM

Pretty sure free will doesnt exist even with out a higher power/creator. Ive said this in a post previously with more details.

**iceman** · 06-15-2018, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

Well, God could choose not to cheat could he not? He could set in motion something the result of which even he could not know, if he chose to make it unknowable, no?

Originally Posted by highangle

I'm trying to point out the profound incompatibility between "Free will" and a transcendent God. There's nothing an omniscient transcendent God could not know.

Somehow these two posts showed up in the opposite order of when they were written, I was replying to highangle's post with mine. I bet God fucked it up just to screw with us, he seems to enjoy that kind of thing.

**iceman** · 06-15-2018, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by BeardMech

Pretty sure free will doesnt exist even with out a higher power/creator. Ive said this in a post previously with more details.

I'd be interested to hear that argument, I'm not buying it at first glance.

**highangle** · 06-15-2018, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by BeardMech

Pretty sure free will doesnt exist even with out a higher power/creator. Ive said this in a post previously with more details.

Me too.
I think it went something like...

Originally Posted by highangle

If you think your "will" is free of everything that has happened until now...that's funny.

Ice - Do you think you are where you are, doing what you are doing, thinking what you are thinking right this instant... because of your free will, or all the events since the Big Bang?
Do consider your answer...I'm sandbagging you with the way I ask it.

**Bunion 2020** · 06-15-2018, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Peruvian

Is there a single religious text that mentions dinosaurs or multiple mass extinctions millions of years prior to mankind?

What kind of asshole deity does that and then doesn’t mention it when divinely sharing the history of the world to those he created in his image?