Page 1 of 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 674
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    At the beach
    Posts
    12,703

    Why all the suicides if everything is going so well in Murica?

    I have felt the overall economy for many Americans has gone to shit in the last 10 years, while the "Official Numbers" are massaged to send a very different message. So if things are so great and never better, than why does it seem like so many people are killing themselves?

    Name:  Capture.JPG
Views: 1218
Size:  81.3 KB

    The rate of suicide deaths has been rising across the U.S. since at least 1999, according to new data released Thursday. But in some states, the increases are staggering.

    In North Dakota, the suicide rate increased by almost 58 percent from 1999 to 2016, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Of the 25 states where the suicide rate increase by more than 30 percent, the most noticeable rises occurred in western states. Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas and Wyoming all saw increases from 38 to 58 percent. In the east, Vermont, New Hampshire and South Carolina saw dramatic spikes as well.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ine&yptr=yahoo
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
    That is why I like dogs, more than most people.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Central VT
    Posts
    4,196
    I was just having this conversation with a co-worker. Americans are stressed over money, debt, competing to get ahead. We're the largest consumers of drugs on Earth, so many people popping pills to get through the day, easy access to firearms, lack of access/high cost of mental health care, the stigma of seeking help for mental health struggles, treating stress by self medicating. The list goes on.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    The Mayonnaisium
    Posts
    7,118
    Looks like the best medicine is a hooker sandwich in Las Vegas.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    The Bull City
    Posts
    4,838
    That Kate lady did it while her husband was there right? Some of the others I'm not so sure about. CNN Food guy was making enemies in high places by advocating for food worker unions and raising the minimum wage. Not quite to Randy Quaid's level, but some of it could be nefarious..

    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Posts
    11,426
    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    I have felt the overall economy for many Americans has gone to shit in the last 10 years, while the "Official Numbers" are massaged to send a very different message. So if things are so great and never better, than why does it seem like so many people are killing themselves?
    This is a trick question, isn't it?
    And I guess that I just don't know

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    SLC
    Posts
    4,922

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    The Bull City
    Posts
    4,838
    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    I have felt the overall economy for many Americans has gone to shit in the last 10 years, while the "Official Numbers" are massaged to send a very different message. So if things are so great and never better, than why does it seem like so many people are killing themselves?

    Name:  Capture.JPG
Views: 1218
Size:  81.3 KB

    The rate of suicide deaths has been rising across the U.S. since at least 1999, according to new data released Thursday. But in some states, the increases are staggering.

    In North Dakota, the suicide rate increased by almost 58 percent from 1999 to 2016, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Of the 25 states where the suicide rate increase by more than 30 percent, the most noticeable rises occurred in western states. Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas and Wyoming all saw increases from 38 to 58 percent. In the east, Vermont, New Hampshire and South Carolina saw dramatic spikes as well.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ine&yptr=yahoo
    Economy yes, downfall of unions and middle class growth. There is also a correlation between the decline of organized religion among the more highly educated and these suicide rates increasing.. More cynical, less hopeful people in tougher economic times is a bad combination for mental stability.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Posts
    11,426
    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    ...There is also a correlation between the decline of organized religion among the more highly educated and these suicide rates increasing..
    Just a reminder that correlation is not causation.
    And I guess that I just don't know

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    The Bull City
    Posts
    4,838
    Quote Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper View Post
    Just a reminder that correlation is not causation.
    Right, fewer people believing that a higher power or other factors beyond their control might somehow inexplicably/magically remedy their horrible life situation seems more plausible in explaining the causal relationship to higher suicide rates..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    907
    Posts
    11,135
    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Economy yes, downfall of unions and middle class growth. There is also a correlation between the decline of organized religion among the more highly educated and these suicide rates increasing.. More cynical, less hopeful people in tougher economic times is a bad combination for mental stability.


    Did you learn to prattle in church?

    People who kill themselves to get out of debt got some bad priorities, I'll grant you that. But if people who would otherwise kill themselves don't because they don't want to screw their chances to get rewarded in the next life, what's the gain?

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Ventura Highway in the Sunshine
    Posts
    21,575
    Some people just can't handle success, maybe America is too great again

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
    iscariot

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Before
    Posts
    21,131
    The "Official Numbers" are bullshit for people living in rural areas.
    In the Consumer Price Index (CPI) for example:
    " People not included in the report are non-metro or rural populations, farm families, armed forces, people serving in prison and those in mental hospitals. "

    In January 2012, the Federal Reserve declared it would rather use the PCE (Personal Consumption Expenditures) index than CPI since PCE provided inflation trends that are less affected by short-term price changes. The PCE does include housing prices:
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DHUTRC1Q027SBEA .


    But the PCE does not include gasoline or food:
    The "core" PCE price index is defined as personal consumption expenditures (PCE) prices excluding food and energy prices.

    Wage growth is far behind inflation and has been for some time, even in urban areas:
    https://www.glassdoor.com/research/a...ith-inflation/

    Rural areas are feeling the financial crunch more than ever. I don't know what the suicide rate breakdown is across urban versus rural areas, but at least in the above charts, those states with the highest suicide rates have few multimillion population urban areas.



    While the CPI does include food and energy costs, the other "official number", Core Inflation does not.
    Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
    >>>200 cm Black Bamboo Sidewalled DPS Lotus 120 : Best Skis Ever <<<

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    The Bull City
    Posts
    4,838
    Quote Originally Posted by highangle View Post
    Did you learn to prattle in church?
    I haven't set foot in a church service in probably 5 years. Only went occasionally before that. Too many people using divine inspiration to justify irrational hate and fear. Not what any true God would want. There may still be some good churches that don't judge or denigrate marginalized groups but they are definitely fewer and farther between in these dumbed down times..

    If I did find the time to start going again I'd go Episcopal. That's the church I was raised in and they seem most progressive with regard to today's social context.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    907
    Posts
    11,135
    But you still believe in magic though, right?

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    The Bull City
    Posts
    4,838
    Quote Originally Posted by highangle View Post
    But you still believe in magic though, right?
    I believe we're all connected spiritually, all living beings, in ways science has yet to explain..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    681
    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    I have felt the overall economy for many Americans has gone to shit in the last 10 years, while the "Official Numbers" are massaged to send a very different message. So if things are so great and never better, than why does it seem like so many people are killing themselves?

    Name:  Capture.JPG
Views: 1218
Size:  81.3 KB

    The rate of suicide deaths has been rising across the U.S. since at least 1999, according to new data released Thursday. But in some states, the increases are staggering.

    In North Dakota, the suicide rate increased by almost 58 percent from 1999 to 2016, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Of the 25 states where the suicide rate increase by more than 30 percent, the most noticeable rises occurred in western states. Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas and Wyoming all saw increases from 38 to 58 percent. In the east, Vermont, New Hampshire and South Carolina saw dramatic spikes as well.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ine&yptr=yahoo
    The official numbers are massaged.

    SSRIs and social media also probably are elements.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    YetiMan
    Posts
    11,227


    So those are some of the dynamics of why people are struggling.

    Also: everyone gets sick and getting sick in the US means financial ruin.

    Also: We're bombarded by a subtle, comprehensive message that you are your finances, and your finances reflect the quality of your self overall.

    Also: we have an aging population who saw their elders live in awful conditions in nursing homes.

    Also: guns everywhere.

    I think there are plenty of people who don't think any of this through....but they just know they're miserable and alone and there's no reason to believe it's going to improve. I think that sensation relates to tons of cultural and economic mistakes.

    If you grow up expecting to be poor and for life to be very hard, and you value survival under difficult conditions....you can achieve survival and feel good about that. If you grow up expecting to prosper and being told good people do well and lazy people don't....bare survival can feel excruciating.
    That's why that narrative about how white people can't lose is actually beyond just being annoying bullshit, it's actually dangerous.

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    SLC
    Posts
    4,922
    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I believe we're all connected spiritually, all living beings, in ways science has yet to explain..
    cool, thanks for sharing

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Posts
    681
    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    the fact is, a tourniquet didn’t help.
    French gun control didn't keep him from...never mind.

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    a poop plant
    Posts
    2,932
    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    If you grow up expecting to be poor and for life to be very hard, and you value survival under difficult conditions....you can achieve survival and feel good about that. If you grow up expecting to prosper and being told good people do well and lazy people don't....bare survival can feel excruciating. That's why that narrative about how white people can't lose is actually beyond just being annoying bullshit, it's actually dangerous.
    This is such a under appreciated fact. Kind of the curse of "white privilege".

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    907
    Posts
    11,135
    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I believe we're all connected spiritually, all living beings, in ways science has yet to explain..

    Ahem..."Set Theory"?

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Tejas
    Posts
    6,012
    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    If you grow up expecting to prosper and being told good people do well and lazy people don't....bare survival can feel excruciating.
    Hmmm. I think this a point that most people don't want to ever mention and I believe holds a LOT of weight. As we've pushed self esteem above all else to children since the 80s, with it only becoming worse, that ALL kids get a trophy, and pushing the notion to children that they can be whatever they want to be AND be rich and successful in their adult lives, I do think it sets them up for depression on a massive scale when reality hits and they end up trying to cope in an adult world.

    Everybody's points above are also valid, but I do think there's something to be said for society placing so much importance on ones "happiness" (whatever that means), and that anything less than pure bliss can lead to depression for many. Too many people simply chasing the wrong things and totally misplacing their own self worth. I always found it interesting how clinical depression and suicides can be so prevalent within affluent communities.

    Also, see:

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Posts
    11,426
    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    I blame tourniquet tech
    Okay, I went and looked up that tourniquet thing for TRG. It's one of the weirdest memes here ever.
    And I guess that I just don't know

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    The Bull City
    Posts
    4,838
    Quote Originally Posted by highangle View Post
    Ahem..."Set Theory"?
    Maybe at a very non linear level. Talking spiritual energy AKA the soul both during the current life and afterlife when the host body dies.. Re incarnation is just a small set of many possibilities.. All our energy ends up pushed through black holes at some point but there is still a lot left for science to explain with regard to paranormal activity..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    PNW
    Posts
    4,290
    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I believe we're all connected spiritually, all living beings, in ways science has yet to explain..
    Uuhhh, yes it can. Because we are all physically connected, and easily brainwashed by Gods, our minds take over and fill in the blanks. Correct or not, it's all in your mind.

    Here's an amazing fact for your next cocktail party: Every single atom in your body—the calcium in your bones, the carbon in your genes, the iron in your blood, the gold in your filling—was created in a star billions of years ago. All except atoms of hydrogen and one or two of the next lightest elements. They were formed even earlier, shortly after the Big Bang began 13.7 billion years ago.
    It's true, according to astrophysicists. You and everything around you, every single natural and man-made thing you can see, every rock, tree, butterfly, and building, comprises atoms that originally arose during the Big Bang or, for all but the lightest two or three elements, from millions of burning and exploding stars far back in the history of the universe. You live because stars died; it's that simple.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/star-in-you.html

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •