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  1. #51
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    i do not know how the legal issues will work out. however this article give good insight in to the accident.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...limber_wa.html
    apparently the guy was going to snowboard the mountain and crampons with no ice axe. also first responders were trained rescue and medical people
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    There's still this sign at the Headwaters Lift that, among all the words, says something like "rescue may take some time." Because, well, rescue may take some time.
    SFOTEX, IDK what happened in your situation, but it was my understanding that even the courts understand that the first priority in a rescue is going about it safely. We can't have plaintiffs and defendants arguing about whether the weather and visibility was go/no go.
    Do people sue the Coast Guard for not getting rescued fast enough in the middle of a storm?

    Different situation, I know.


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    Since when is the expectation of mountain climbers that a helicopter will definitely extract them from the upper reaches of a mountain within 3 hours?

    3-4 hours is pretty good response for extraction IMO

    That guy who called 911 didnít exactly make it seem like it was an emergency. But the dispatch was fucked up too, whereíd she get that a 60 year old was hurt from that first call?




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    Surprised the (obviously experienced) rescue crew is depending on 911 dispatch and doesn't have a direct line into the sheriff's office and other responding agencies. Or is that SOP to make sure it gets priority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    Correct


    My thought too. Life insurance co trying to weasel out of paying.

    From what I can see plaintiff is grasping at straws. Helo was dispatched 90min after first call. Those on the scene said they thought they could get the injured guy down on their own, then changed their mind. Donít know why it took 2.7 hrs for helo to get there - aircraft must have not been at PDX base - but that seems the big delay.

    Iím also mystified about why routing the call to Tline patrol is a bad thing. They have cats that can get personnel & equipment to at least Silcox Hut, and farther if they can cross into wilderness during an emergency. Thatís way faster than trying to deploy a PMR or Crag Rats team

    Hereís a helo rescue on Mt Hood gone wrong. The narrative is a little overwrought but itís still one of those holy shit moments. And it illustrates the ďsuicide pactĒ Steve described upthread.

    http://pjmed.libsyn.com/65-civil-sar...-with-chief-cd
    Good podcast with one of the J's who had that Helo roll over him. Pretty crazy account of the whole rescue.

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    I am sorry this guy died and I feel for his family, but when you step off the ground to lead a rock climb, or venture on skis into the backcountry, or attempt to climb a mountain like Hood, you are taking your life in your own hands and willingly accepting the risk. Pisses me off when people try to cast blame just because shit went sideways. Nobody OWES you a mountain rescue, regardless of the circumstances.

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    rescue started on mt hood today
    not many details yet

    climber fell 200 ft, alive & breathing...hope they get him down safely

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/loc.../283-558762745

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    Quote Originally Posted by acinpdx View Post
    rescue started on mt hood today
    not many details yet

    climber fell 200 ft, alive & breathing...hope they get him down safely

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/loc.../283-558762745
    3 more yesterday...
    http://komonews.com/news/local/three...ll-at-hogsback
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    Seems to be helicopter season...

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    And another one:
    July 13 rescue
    ... with an interesting twist.
    (Sure hope he didn't change his mind yet again after the rescue, otherwise all that effort would be for nothing!)
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    This has been happening year after year for decades. I have personally witnessed hundreds of roped climbers playing the mutual suicide game there. It's ridiculous. If this route were in Euroland and equally popular, somebody would nail in and maintain fixed protection at the fall prone area. I usually oppose fixed pro on glacier routes, but this is an exception because it gets so much use (IMO it's not a wilderness route) and the pressure of the crowds results in many (likely most) teams taking stupid risks that could be easily abated with running pro.

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    As others have said here, ramifications for such a judgment would be huge. I also suspect this is an uphill battle for plaintiffs. But I'm no dentist.

    "particulars:
    (a) In failing timely request a helicopter to the fall site;
    (b) In failing to tell the climbers and rescuers to do a ground rescue;
    (c) In routing the calls on the mountain about plaintifr s rescue to improperly trained community services officer."

    my .02:

    (a) timely helicopter request:
    - the threshold for getting air ops approved is really high here. At first, even the people helping on scene (to include a doctor) did not know the seriousness of the injuries. Requesting a helicopter at that time of first call-in would have been neither reasonable nor approved.
    -From the filing, the first mention of a helicopter was made at 1137, and the Guard got the call at 1229. Ski patrol, rescue, the sheriffs office, and office of emergency management involved to varying degrees - 52 minutes to get through those layers of approval seems believable. Seems pretty decent, actually.


    (b) Failed to do a ground rescue:
    What about the '10 climbers who thought they could get him out' ...?Besides, Mountain Rescue guy 'Rocky Henderson' was on scene for most of this - who would have coordinated such a thing.

    Ground operations are probably why the first call routed to ski patrol - even though the guy wasn't skiing or in the resort area. Ski patrol here will often help with rescues/recoveries because it minimizes mobilization time. They have solid people, lifts, cats, sleds and trained medical staff. It's a huge asset to timely rescue capabilities anywhere near resorts. Happens here all the time.

    (c) routing calls to improperly trained staff: I seriously doubt this was the first rescue call to be routed to a community services officer. without knowing their SOP it's hard to say, but here I'm reading there are enough calls for help on Hood .. this couldn'ta been their first rodeo. And her actions don't seem unreasonable.

    Based on what I've read, I don't think anybody acted in such a way that they 'knew or reasonably should have known' that their actions would have caused this outcome.
    I don't believe anyone deliberately acted outside of agency policy.
    I don't believe anyone acted in bad faith or with deliberate indifference.

    OR will have some kind of qualified immunity for people and agencies involved based on that. Tort claim dismissed like Geezer said. Pretty easily I'd guess.

    Unfortunately people sometimes die waiting for help. It's a calculated and known risk we all take when we saddle up.
    Condolences to family and friends.

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