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05-16-2018, 03:53 PM #51
Why not both?
Back in the early '90's when I was bike racing eating carbs was probably 70% of my diet and I was able to lose weight and gain strength while maintaining a caloric deficit.
This winter I lost 20#s over 2 months in keto with no more than 20g a carbs a day. Same thing, maintain caloric deficit and still gained streghth measured in my weightlifing log.
I think keto and fasting are cool tools to have in the chest for keeping lean and strong. But as a lifestyle I think it's a bit extreme. Having a beer and pizza every once in awhile will not kill you.
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05-16-2018, 04:34 PM #52Banned
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05-16-2018, 08:45 PM #57
This was a pretty significant thing for me going in. I did the ramp test where they measured my carb & fat burning at different heart rates. Trying to exercise with the ideal range or as close as I could along with just eating less carbs and better ones when I did along with more good fats, modifying portions and more fish did really well. I like a lot of those foods already but didn't always focus on it.
I lost 10#'s without really trying (was 190# at 6'3" to start) as weight loss wasn't the goal. I just was really carb dependent and would fluctuate on energy levels and sometime crash and need to gorge calories until I balanced out. Haven't had that issue since so guessing related. Follow-up test and he had to work to max me out to get to complete carb dependent rate.
tldr: Don't have to get crazy, get fat/carb burn test, eat better, exercise within your ideal range. Profit.
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05-17-2018, 01:46 PM #58Banned
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Not training for Alaska, but I did just have a lunch that contained ~55g of protein. For the record, I'm not doing keto or following any specific diet plan. I generally eat whatever, sometimes a lot, sometimes a little, and I am quite active, but I don't consider myself an athlete.
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05-17-2018, 02:59 PM #59
Definitely easy to hit >100 g protein/day. A few eggs, a couple modest servings of meat, a cup of yogurt or a little cheese, plus the ancillary protein in everything else you eat (even vegetables are ~10% protein) and you are over 100 g. If you're active I'd consider 0.5g/lb LBM as an absolute minimum.
Moving on, earlier we touched on the pitfalls of insulin resistance and hyperglycemia. One dead simple thing you can do to blunt blood sugar spikes after meals is drink a little vinegar every day. A tablespoon of vinegar consumed with a high-carb meal reduces your postprandial blood sugar spike by around 50%, and the effect persists for 8-10 hours afterward. So, one glug of vinegar in the morning and you're pretty much set for the rest of the day. You get a similar effect from leftovers. Cooling and reheating starches creates resistant starch, which has a similar immediate and persistent effect on blood sugar response. Next, move around after meals. You clear glucose from your bloodstream much faster if you are doing anything but being completely sedentary. Finally, keep your fructose intake (sucrose, HFCS, etc., whole fruit excepted) as low as practical. Fructose metabolism directly causes acute insulin resistance, which in turn directly and indirectly contributes to chronic insulin resistance.Last edited by Dantheman; 05-17-2018 at 03:26 PM.
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05-17-2018, 03:19 PM #60
Dan, thanks for your educated responses.
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05-17-2018, 04:15 PM #61
I have a friend who was debilitated by migraines. She would spend an average of 8 hrs a day with moderate to severe migraine pain. She went to a strict ketogenic diet and her headaches virtually disappeared. She has been on it for over 3 years now. She went off for a week once and they came roaring back. #studyofone
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If you are a run of the mill, non over weight, reasonably healthy eater, who eats carbs, what is the advantage of this vinegar thing? Also, same person, who isn't a performance athlete, what would be the point of a keto diet?
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05-17-2018, 09:24 PM #69
My understanding is that you should not exceed 20g of protein at any one time. Your body can only process so much at one time and the rest taxes the liver. Just have to space out smaller more frequent eating which I have always been a fan of. And no, I don't know what the recommended time in between is, but I would spit wad 2-3 hrs.
I am not a doctor, but I play one on ski forums.
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05-17-2018, 09:27 PM #70Funky But Chic
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So you can't have more than about 2 ounces of meat at a time? Have fun with that one.
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05-17-2018, 09:45 PM #72
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05-17-2018, 10:17 PM #73
I think most of those guys are doing some variation of the optimized fat metabolism protocol where carb intake is carefully timed around training when it won't elicit a big insulin response. Depends on the distance, too.
Yeah, any way you get it works. Acetic acid evaporates readily so anything cooked is going to have less than you started with.
You still benefit from improved blood glucose control. The problems that chronic high blood sugar cause exist on a spectrum and the flatter your blood sugar stays the better.
Any vinegar, even white distilled. It's the acetic acid itself that causes the effect. Apple cider vinegar is tastier, though. The Bragg organic stuff makes killer whiskey cocktails.
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05-18-2018, 01:58 AM #74
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05-18-2018, 05:47 AM #75
Good info in here. Along the lines of blood sugar, what's the story with cinnamon? Seems to be a lot of small studies in diabetics out there, but I don't see anything beyond theories as to why it's helpful.
I know a diabetic who eats a mini cinnamon roll most evenings because she says her blood sugar consistently tests better the next morning. Been at this for quite a few years now.
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