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12-02-2021, 11:56 AM #26
This is not tough at all. We even have specific legislation addressing it in Colorado.
Those parents should be charged, and every gun owner should applaud it.Is it radix panax notoginseng? - splat
This is like hanging yourself but the rope breaks. - DTM
Dude Listen to mtm. He's a marriage counselor at burning man. - subtle plague
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12-02-2021, 12:03 PM #27
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12-02-2021, 02:08 PM #28Registered User
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Attractive Nuisance?????
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12-02-2021, 02:30 PM #29
Laws and regulation are different for different levels of threats. A machine exclusively designed to kill a human with the push of a button, or 15 within 10 seconds deserves a much higher level of scrutiny than a vehicle used literally thousands of ways to improve everyday life of 80% of the people on the planet. So, ya, they should absolutely be held accountable if reasonable measures (gun safe kid doesn't have access to) were not in place to ensure kid didn't get the gun easily.
Same should hold true if an idiot leaves a gun in their car... double the time if the car's not locked.
Bazinga!Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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12-02-2021, 03:15 PM #30
Even if the parents get charged, it is super hard to get a convictions on these types of cases. Below is a case from Washington where a cop left his gun under his car seat for a brief moment and his 3 year old found it and shot and killed his 7 year old sister. Cop was fired and charged with manslaughter. Jury couldn't reach a unanimous verdict (hung jury) so cop walked on criminal charges. Later, arbitrator reinstated cop and he is now still a cop.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ughters-death/
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12-02-2021, 03:21 PM #31"Can't you see..."
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12-02-2021, 03:22 PM #32
Could you guys please not quote AdironRider?
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12-02-2021, 03:26 PM #33?
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12-02-2021, 03:28 PM #34
Someone stealing a stranger's car and then using it during the commission of a crime seems just a tad different than a child taking their parent's gun and using it to shoot up a bunch of kids at school, but maybe that's just my personal bias...
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12-02-2021, 03:29 PM #35
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12-02-2021, 08:00 PM #36
Not sure of the laws you’re referencing in CO.
In MI, guns must be sold with a trigger lock or locking case.
However, MI gun owners are not obliged to use the trigger locks or cases purchased with the gun
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state...e-in-michigan/
And 50 different gun reform bills have died in MI’s state legislature this year
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-go...orm-bills-year
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12-02-2021, 08:20 PM #37
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12-02-2021, 08:32 PM #38
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb21-1106
Definitely leads to a negligence per se claim, and most likely a negligent entrustment one as well.Is it radix panax notoginseng? - splat
This is like hanging yourself but the rope breaks. - DTM
Dude Listen to mtm. He's a marriage counselor at burning man. - subtle plague
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12-02-2021, 08:41 PM #39
^^^Sounds like the main difference is in CO, gun owners have to actually use the trigger guards and cases they purchased. Novel fucking concept.
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12-02-2021, 08:43 PM #40
The key part is:
if a person stores a firearm in a manner that the person knows, or should know:
That a juvenile can gain access to the firearm without the permission of the juvenile's parent or guardian; or
A resident of the premises is ineligible to possess a firearm under state or federal law.Is it radix panax notoginseng? - splat
This is like hanging yourself but the rope breaks. - DTM
Dude Listen to mtm. He's a marriage counselor at burning man. - subtle plague
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12-02-2021, 08:47 PM #41
I don't agree with folks but as long as they're not launching personal attacks I won't block them. Otherwise I create my own echo chamber. Not a fan of echo chambers even though they are less stressful. I can't criticize someone constantly posting right wing talking points as living in an echo chamber if I'm blocking them myself..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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12-03-2021, 06:06 AM #42
I think it should be a crime to raise a pos child like this.
I will assume the parents will soon be bankrupt, at a minimum.
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12-03-2021, 06:15 AM #43
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12-03-2021, 07:07 AM #44Hunting kicks ass.
Chicks dig Labs.
I'll keep my job, my money and my guns and you can keep the change.
From my cold dead hands.
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12-03-2021, 08:31 AM #45
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12-03-2021, 09:09 AM #46
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12-03-2021, 09:11 AM #47Registered User
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The talk around town is It sounds like they are going to be charged. And they should be.
The kid posted a pic on IG a few days before the shooting showing the gun, Saying it was his, And then was like “feel free to ask me any questions about my new gun”
He obviously had access to it regularly it seems.
Also he was in a disciplinary meeting in school WITH his parents… and had the gun on him before he started shooting.
Parents told him not to talk to anyone except a lawyer immediately. Pretty sure they know they are fucked.
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12-03-2021, 09:21 AM #48
Handguns: specifically designed to kill people.
Trigger lock/cable: designed to prevent accidental or unsanctioned use of firearm.
So, parents buy kid gun designed for killing people and don’t use safe guards.
Definitely should be charged.
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12-03-2021, 09:25 AM #49
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12-03-2021, 09:32 AM #50
Here is a twist. After graduating HS, a guy who I knew (call him Kevin) moved from suburban NJ to Denver. He got hooked up with a guy who was a local [Colo.] concert promoter (call him Joe) and cocaine dealer. The story goes that one day Joe fronted Kevin a 1/4lb of product to drop off with lower level deviants. Kevin, who thought he was slick, decided to keep the blow, move back to the ice coast and sell it to his buddies or keep it for himself. Joe got wind of Kevin's plan. While enroute to NJ, Joe called Kevin's dad and said something to the effect that "your son is currently traveling from Denver to NJ with 1/4lb of my coke. You have two choices. You can either pay me $X by tomorrow morning, or I will call the police, advise them of a description of your son, his car and LP#, and that he is traveling cross-country with all that blow." Needless to say, Joe was paid, Kevin received the beating of his life and the powder was flushed.
This is an example of "Minor criminals and a parents accountability".“How does it feel to be the greatest guitarist in the world? I don’t know, go ask Rory Gallagher”. — Jimi Hendrix
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