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04-18-2018, 09:12 AM #76Registered User
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04-18-2018, 09:24 AM #81
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04-18-2018, 09:30 AM #82
Is whether someone uses clipless v. flats a reasonable measure of anything?
I thought i sucked because my Hardrock sucked. Now I know it is because I have flat pedals over a decade old. Good to know it is not my lack of technique or practice. I’d go out and buy clipless, but fear being too good.
BTW, it might have more to do with how much money you have to spend, and not your skill or riding style. I know it is hard to imagine for all the dentist (I’m just a receptionist at a dentist office), but not everyone can go out and spend a grand or five on a bike.
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04-18-2018, 09:52 AM #83Registered User
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yeah i've heard the old fucks who think clipless are dangerous and would rather ride toeclips, usually the same people who don't need powder skis or heelpieces
I can't think of too many good applications out side of being a fixie riding hipster and then they should be the metal Cinelli
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I know a bike touring guide who swears by the power grip straps ^^ no strap to adjust just twist the ankle out wards to get outLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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04-18-2018, 10:19 AM #84
I have a friend who up until a few years ago was still rocking toeclips on his pedals. And he shreds - way harder than me and most riders. People would often see him and be kind of dumbfounded by the contrast. I was always asking him what's the deal but my skepticism didn't carry much weight when he's kicking my ass on the trails - both up and down.
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04-18-2018, 10:37 AM #85Registered User
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I had a friend who used to win local races wearing cutoff jeans and riding a fully-rigid steel frame bike but momma always said "Two wrongs don't make a right".
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04-18-2018, 10:39 AM #86
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Which is where you actually want a more flexible sole.
This is a big one for me. Unless you ride with shin protection 100% of the time it is not a matter of if, but when and how often.
There are quite a few clipless shoes that have good tread for hike-a-biking, and frankly IMO the tread on most 5.10 shoes sucks for hiking.
One of these things is orders of magnitude more important than the other....
Wait, what does sitting and spinning up climbs have to do with the descending skills in the rest of this sentence? Standing climbing outside of singlespeeding is dumb.
This is generally true, but most shoes allow you to run the cleats farther back.
See, I don't get this. Much of the benefit of sticky rubber gets negated when you put a hiking shoe tread pattern on it. Some pins might not be making contact at all, they can get caught on the edges and crevices, etc. The ideal tread pattern for a flat pedal shoe is none at all, like racing slicks in motor racing.
Agreed.
Besides being less likely to dab on ups, I've definitely ridden out of some downhill "Oh shit" moments riding clipless where I might have bailed on flats. Those moments absolutely expanded my envelope of control.
The questionnaire could have been worded as "Do you refer to pedals that you clip into as "clip-ins" or "clipless"? and it would have been as or more effective as a noob screening tool It also wouldn't have spun up a discussion like this one.
Though not as effective as passing them on a MTB.Last edited by Dantheman; 04-18-2018 at 11:09 AM.
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04-18-2018, 10:52 AM #87
This is actually why I switched to flats. After a tibial plateau fracture, I would get terrible and very specific knee pain when clipped in, even after fiddling with foot position. So I switched to flats, and when I get that pain, I just move my foot a little and it goes away.
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04-18-2018, 11:13 AM #88
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04-18-2018, 11:14 AM #89
All you have to know is the Missoula MTB 'scene'. Where the racers go in the 'snake, you can ride a CX-Fixt rig with 30c tires no prob. If you venture out and about in the valley then a 29er HT is pretty nice. If you have suspension on both sides of your bike then ~4%(pulled that number out of my anal cavity) of the trails are probably fun for you. I have ridden in every western state and have found that what Missoulians call tech is far from it. For example in the upper reaches of Lory near FC, most of the trails in Flag, all of the trails in Sedona, all of the trails in Nelson/Rossland, any trail in the Sierra, most in the NorthCoast Range, most of the OC are heaploads more 'techy' than what a typical newbie Missoulian MTB'r calls tech. MSO is hyper sensitive, so IMHO opinion, tech and rowdy are hella overused and not understood by 90% of MSO MTB'rs.
Squeezin' a little more every other day
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04-18-2018, 11:20 AM #90
I did this a couple times when I was using hiking boots, but so far, with 5.10s, it has not happened again. But yeah, I've considered shin guards just as cheap insurance.
There are quite a few clipless shoes that have good tread for hike-a-biking, and frankly IMO the tread on most 5.10 shoes sucks for hiking.
Rock: awesome
Wet rock creek crossings: super-awesome
I never owned a pair of clipless shoes that had tread worth a shit for HaB, but that's mostly personal choice (Sidi and Giro).
Though not as effective as passing them on a MTB.
One drawback of the 5.10s that I have: they weigh about 8lbs each. Go in the drink a few times on a ride and they swell to, like 45lbs each...
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04-18-2018, 11:30 AM #91User
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04-18-2018, 11:31 AM #92Besides the comet that killed the dinosaurs nothing has destroyed a species faster than entitled white people.-ajp
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04-18-2018, 12:34 PM #93
I think this thread is a great example of what that original message was trying to say:
1) If you're a beginner, AND you're having trouble with clipless pedals, it's normal. Consider flats because you'll have more fun.
2) If you've been at it for a while, AND you're still having trouble with clipless pedals, but you feel like you're getting better, it's normal. Stick with it. At this point bunny hopping and keeping your feet on the pedals when you land a jump is going to be way easier. And seriously, anyone cool around you is using them.
3) If you're good now, and you're STILL on clipless pedals, congratulations. You're in the club. Flame away. But, why the hell did you sign up for a mountain bike skills class?However many are in a shit ton.
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04-18-2018, 12:39 PM #94Banned
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I did. On flats. Then i went back to trail riding clipped in and everything was different. I also learned some trials. On Flats. Then I went back to trail riding clipped in and everything was different. I also don't throw unplanned one footers when my cleats or springs start to wear.
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04-18-2018, 01:07 PM #95
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04-18-2018, 01:14 PM #96Banned
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FIFY. I know a lot of folks who learned how to bunny hop clipped in that can't bunny hop on platform pedals. I would argue they have not really mastered that skill and if they learned how to do it unclipped, they would be way more proficient and efficient when clipped back in. This, in a nutshell, is my point.
It's like learning Jiu Jitsu in the Gi, vs no gi. One is a tool that makes you better in the other. If you just train no gi you will miss a lot of detail the Gi will teach you. I digress....
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04-18-2018, 01:34 PM #97
But if you can make it over the smoldering VW or whatever else you're trying to clear, what difference does it make? Why should you need to bunny hop as if you're on flat pedals if you're not on flat pedals?
The only reason I learned these things on flats were because clipless pedals didn't exist on bmx bikes when I was 8.Besides the comet that killed the dinosaurs nothing has destroyed a species faster than entitled white people.-ajp
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04-18-2018, 01:46 PM #98Banned
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So go back to what I said before. If you are someone who enjoys the personal progression of learning and mastering skills, then flat pedals will help with that. If you are not and just want to ride trail and get over stuff as fast as possible and don't really care, then clippless obviously make that easier.....ride on and enjoy your day.
If i came to a smoldering VW on the trail I would want to have a bag full of skills to clear it with as much style and grace as possible, in my own personal idiom. Maybe try and nose bonk off the grill ornament, ride up the windshield, manual the roof, and drop, even and level, off the hatch back. Or I could granny up to it, spin like a whirly-gig in a last minute seated wheelie...slam my back tire into the bumper...claw my way up onto the roof and roll off the hatch with my saddle in my throat...arms locked out and nose into a fork crushing landing.
If ever I come across a burning car on a trail ride, I'll be glad I've spent some time at the DJs and Skate Park on flats so I can at least try to style that shit out.
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04-18-2018, 01:49 PM #99
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04-18-2018, 01:58 PM #100
I know. But you can do that same thing with clipless pedals, which is why I keep saying learning to do things better teaches you to do things better....pedal style doesn't matter. You can squat over the rear tire and spring up just the same.
It just amuses me when people think there's something holy about flat pedals. I still ride them on my stunt bike for tricks and occasionally on my other bikes but as far as what most people do in the woods on trail bikes, I still hold to my earlier statement, that flat pedals just teach you how to ride flat pedals. Anything you do on them is just as learnable clipped in. There are a lot of people that also say you NEED to learn how to ride in the woods on a hardtail. It can be fun and change how you look at lines but if you don't plan on using that as your primary tool, you might be better served just learning how to get better on what is. Truth be told, since the 5.10 thing happened there's really not much difference in how I ride either. I yank up with my feet with flat pedals all the time.
I've just seen a lot of friends sort of newish to mountainbiking force themselves to put flat pedals on their trail bikes because someone else told them all of the above, then they go back to their clipless setup with the reaction of having wasted a lot of their riding time.
That's all.Besides the comet that killed the dinosaurs nothing has destroyed a species faster than entitled white people.-ajp
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