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  1. #451
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    Buddy of mine just scooped the last pair of 2019 CD104L in 187cm right from under my nose while I was waffling and emailing Geo about things. Serves me right...

    Quote Originally Posted by kevino View Post
    Anyone got time on the 102 carbon? Late winter to spring touring and ski mountaineering ski? I tend to like width for our snow conditions in NW Montana hence my looking at that one or the 104L over the 90
    Re: LD102 vs CD104L, I'd pick the CD104L 95% of the time. It would take very specific conditions to get me back on the LD102 after having skied the CD104L, it's much more versatile and works well for pretty much everything. Perfect daily driver compared to the LD102 which takes some time to figure out and will slap you in the dick hard if you don't handle it right. I loved the super long radius of the LD102 for holding an edge at speed and making much bigger turns than the length of the ski should allow (179cm it too small IMO, 185ish would be better) but the crazy stiffness is tough to manage. The tails are short and really snappy and the shovel is a bit short and low which makes for an unforgiving ride, if you're not super balanced you get tossed around (backseat mostly) and there's no recovery when there are no tails to push back against. The CD104L skis like a toned down version of the LD102 with a more modern shape. It's easygoing and playful if you want to ski that way but it can also be pushed as much as your thighs and self-confidence will allow and as far as I can tell it has no speed limit. I works beautifully in the steeps too, I skied a few lines this season that I would consider my most hairball to date and never once did I worry about the skis even when the snow turned bulletproof and the exposure was making me rethink most of my priorities.

    Ideal Down quiver for me would be LD90 for the steeps in hard snow (we don't have those in the Wasatch), CD104L most of the time (including huge days, no-fall zone gnar, and most pow days), and CD114L when things are deep or really funky (wind hammered mostly).
    Wait, that's exactly the Down quiver I have! And this year I skied 1 day on the LD90, 35-ish days on the CD104L, and 15-ish days on the CD114L. If I could keep only 1 ski it would be the CD104L. Then I'd probably make a deal with the devil to somehow get a 2nd pair of ski and that would be an old Lotus120 in 190cm (Pure3 from BITD when DPS made skis, not identity statements).

    When I had LD102 and CD114L as my 2-ski quiver I was on the big guys about 55 days and the small ones 5 days, all in the spring. It was a really fat year though but the fact that I gravitated to a 190cm 115 underfoot ski for pretty much the entire season (again, including big days, steep days, tight couloir days) is, to me, indicative of the fact that the LD102 is a specialty ski that tends to get squeezed out of the lineup in the Wasatch. Not sure how that translates to what you deal with in NW MT though...

  2. #452
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    Soooo. A few pairs of the SD105, 187 left. I ordered myself a backup pair, at €320 including shipping, how could I not? A few LD102 in the 179@ €289,plus ship, CD104 in 181, as well. My down quiver is getting pretty loaded. More 202s,please,Geo and SiSt.

  3. #453
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boissal View Post
    Wait, that's exactly the Down quiver I have!
    life ain't guaranteed, love your people while you can

  4. #454
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    welp. i wasn't planning on buying a pair of cd104L's today, but $360 shipped is too good a deal to pass up. now i gotta go ask for forgiveness from the wife...

  5. #455
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    Somebody please grab the remaining 189 CD114L. The temptation is getting mighty hard to resist... Just got Shifts installed on the 187 CD104 i picked up a few weeks ago. Waiting for some inserts so I can shim the toes.

  6. #456
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoooL View Post
    Somebody please grab the remaining 189 CD114L. The temptation is getting mighty hard to resist... Just got Shifts installed on the 187 CD104 i picked up a few weeks ago. Waiting for some inserts so I can shim the toes.
    I almost bought a pair last week but I needed to make it a two-fer with the 187 CD104L and the last pair sold from right under my hesitating nose. Guess I'll have to wait for the fall group buy.

  7. #457
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    Non L cd114 are unreal fun skis with any sort of fresh. I'd imagine the 114L are pretty damn great too.

  8. #458
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    Quote Originally Posted by arild View Post
    Soooo. A few pairs of the SD105, 187 left. I ordered myself a backup pair, at €320 including shipping, how could I not? A few LD102 in the 179@ €289,plus ship, CD104 in 181, as well. My down quiver is getting pretty loaded. More 202s,please,Geo and SiSt.
    Hehe sorry about the 202s.

    I really want the SD115 to come back, or something similar in that width. Wish more people were interested in this ski. Would also take a SD105 in a 193 or something like that

  9. #459
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    I also have a pair of sd105 202s I may be willing to part with if anyone is interested. Time to thin all the shit in my garage down.

    Id be super interested in a sd115 around 196-198cm

  10. #460
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    I agree with pyromaniac. Pretzeldude, you'll have the 115m in a 197 and like it, damn you!

  11. #461
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyromaniacman129 View Post
    Non L cd114 are unreal fun skis with any sort of fresh. I'd imagine the 114L are pretty damn great too.
    My CD 114s kicked my Praxis Qs to the curb ... more of an equal but better for me sort of thing. They're nearly as predictable as my 2014 Billy Goats in 3D chop.

    I'd love to see a 114L come out in a 182, but I think I'm dreaming.

    ... Thom
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    crafting technology in service of music

  12. #462
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    Lots of activity on Down skis. I have been eyeing the LD90 for a few months and with stock down to two pairs, I pulled the trigger.

  13. #463
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    Damn those CD104Ls are tempting. Need new spring sticks to replace my 177 MTN Explore 95s which are a tad short for me. I ended up on some 187 QST 106s for most spring outings this season - fun for blasting down faces but a bit overkill for corn skiing and in tight spots. I'e been eying Ravens, Bcrows Camox FBs and Solis, but the Ravens are all gone and BCrows seem to be made of gold.

    If I didn't have PTSD from my experience with the LD102L (same vintage Thom has described) I'd have pulled the trigger already.

  14. #464
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    Quote Originally Posted by North View Post
    Damn those CD104Ls are tempting. Need new spring sticks to replace my 177 MTN Explore 95s which are a tad short for me. I ended up on some 187 QST 106s for most spring outings this season - fun for blasting down faces but a bit overkill for corn skiing and in tight spots. I'e been eying Ravens, Bcrows Camox FBs and Solis, but the Ravens are all gone and BCrows seem to be made of gold.

    If I didn't have PTSD from my experience with the LD102L (same vintage Thom has described) I'd have pulled the trigger already.
    I wish circumstances allowed me to get on my 104Ls this Spring, but I'd trust Boissal and mall walker more than me (due to # of miles traveled on Downs) ... that the 104 series is totally different. I certainly found this to be the case with the 104s.

    ... Thom
    Galibier Design
    crafting technology in service of music

  15. #465
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    Pulled the trigger on 104Ls - too good of a deal to pass up, Boissal's feedback and mall walker's comparison of the regular 104 with the Solis were compelling enough. Hoping I can take them out for long days and couloir skiing (QSTs to heavy/long for this) but still have a backbone for reasonably aggressive skiing (Explore 95s too short for this).

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