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Thread: Maroon Bowl Avalanche 1 Dead
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04-16-2018, 11:32 AM #26
Obviously they made a deadly mistake, and in hindsight it seems obvious. But I am fairly sure that they never intentionally put people at risk. And they probably did not realize how risky/questionable their decision making was. These were experienced people who wouldn't willingly risk their lives and the lives of their friends (because it is their friends that had to do the recovery). Taking them to task for their decision after the fact does no good. Recognizing that they almost certainly fell into common heuristic traps, and discussing those traps, might be useful.
"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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04-16-2018, 11:59 AM #27Skiing powder worldwide
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^^Good Point.
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04-16-2018, 12:10 PM #28
I agree with danno
Originally Posted by blurred
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04-18-2018, 02:48 PM #29
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04-20-2018, 12:17 AM #30
by that line of reasoning noone should ever drive a car due to the risk they are putting first responders into. First responders (and SAR members, etc) choose those careers knowing the risks and in many cases because of the risks.
i do a lot of risky things in my life, a little less as I get older (ok that's a lie). Never once has the thought of the risks to my would be rescuers ever entered my selfish mind. i have three daughters. how my death will affect them is less a part of my decision making process than whether they see their father live a happy fulfilled life.
in short, I'd rather teach them to be happy than to be scared.powdork.com - new and improved, with 20% more dork.
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04-20-2018, 08:59 AM #31guy who skis
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These sorts of discussions always remind me of a snippet of the movie Meru (which is outstanding, btw). Jon Krakauer is talking about the idea that the rewards of climbing mountains are immense, so long as you come home. But if you die, there's no real way of justifying to your family that cutting your margin of safety too fine was worth it. I don't think that's an argument for staying out of the backcountry - a lot of us need that sort of exposure to the outdoors to stay sane/happy/whatever. But I think it's a good argument for leaving yourself a significant margin of safety. Speaking for myself, while I do need sessions of outdoor therapy to be happy, I don't need those sessions to include skiing gnar lines in sketchy conditions. So I try to remind myself that's the case when I'm route-finding etc.
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04-20-2018, 09:17 AM #32guy who skis
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Also, nice piece on John here. I like their method of locker retirement.
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04-20-2018, 09:52 AM #33Registered User
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