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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    I'm guessing you're referencing a Scarpa (breaking on the half size).

    Scarpas have been my main point of confusion because of this. When Intuition stamps 26.0 on a Scarpa OEM liner, is it the "same" 26.0 as their stock liners (apart from Scarpa lasting considerations like instep volume and such)?

    Reading Intuitions site, I may follow their recommendation of ordering two sizes and returning one - mainly because I don't think my boot guy will be stocking Tour Wraps.
    Iím guessing heís referring to regular boots that just get sold as .5 sizes in the US.

    However a Scarpa 26.5/27 are equivalent to a Tecnica 26/26.5 in internal length so both would take the intuition 26 liner in my opinion.

    26 tour wrap is out until fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    I’m guessing he’s referring to regular boots that just get sold as .5 sizes in the US.

    However a Scarpa 26.5/27 are equivalent to a Tecnica 26/26.5 in internal length so both would take the intuition 26 liner in my opinion.

    26 tour wrap is out until fall.
    This is exactly what the pro boot fitter at Tahoe Sports Hub told me.

    Get a 28 tour wrap for my 29 (i.e., 28.5) Scarpa Maestrale RS2

  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    I’m guessing he’s referring to regular boots that just get sold as .5 sizes in the US.

    However a Scarpa 26.5/27 are equivalent to a Tecnica 26/26.5 in internal length so both would take the intuition 26 liner in my opinion.

    26 tour wrap is out until fall.
    Thanks for verifying the shell size relationship (that I'm not going nuts). This lines up with my experience - that 5 my year old 26.0 Maestrale shell matches up very closely with my 25/25.5 Z-G shell (within 1-2mm).

    ... Thom
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  4. #54
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    I have the tour wrap in dalbello lupo ax120 and it worked well on first tour. Warm, comfortable and good ROM and ski down was solid
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    So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....


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  5. #55
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    Intuition Tour Wrap?

    I tried a pair last year for my Delbello Carbon TIís and they were surprisingly too low-volume even in an medium volume, so I went with the Pro Tours MV instead which have a thicker foam. This was surprising because my Lupo SPís use an Intuition wrap liner so I expected the Tour Wraps to fit the same, but they are a very different liner. The standard wrap liners are a similar thickness to the Pro Tours, so I ended up with them.

    This year I have a pair of Atomic Hawk Ultra XTD boots which I like a lot, but the stock liner is pretty thin and wimpy. Because the Hawk is a lower volume fit shell, I was able to make the slightly thinner MV Tour Wraps work well in them. The Pro Tours were too thick in a medium volume and the lower volumes did not have enough heel hold. The Low Volume Pro Tours are slightly thinner than the Tour Wrap medium volume which fits in between the low-volume and medium volume Pro Tours in terms of thickness. With the stock liner, the Hawks were almost impossible to get on and off and with the Tour Wraps the boot is transformed. It is easy to get in and out of and skis better and the touring ROM is nearly as good. Awesome liner if itís put in the right boot.

  6. #56
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    Similar experience to Wetdog above. I haven't skied them yet but was at Intuition Vancouver today with a pair of new Hawx Ultra XTD 130's in 27.5. Shell fit is a bit over a finger, slightly tighter than my previous 27.5 Scarpa Maestrale RS 1.0 (stock Scarpa/Intuition liners) and alpine boots (27.5 Tecnica with Luxury MV). Feet are normalish but wide in the forefoot, measure 109/110mm, plan is for conventional punch along outer foot below toes which I've always needed on any boot I use.

    I tried on the Pro Tour LV on one foot and Tour Wrap on the other. The Pro Tour LV felt comfortable but not enough heel hold and was concerned how it would perform after a bunch of skiing, didn't really like the idea of trying to build it up to take up room either. Pro Tour also didn't feel very substantial flexing forward (I weigh 200lbs). Pro Tour MV wasn't going to fit with the tighter shell fit and he thought sizing up to 28.5 with Pro Tour MV was going to be comfy but sloppy ski wise.

    Tour Wrap felt way better in terms of ski position flex, heel hold etc. Felt a bit tight in the toes but of course heat molding w/ toe cap should fix. Was worried about touring ROM and getting the boot on and off, so he removed laces from the liners (never felt the need for laces, have always removed) and it made a big difference getting boot on/off. Walk mode ROM feels fine in the Hawx. Prettty confident the ski experience in the Tour Wrap will be superior to the Pro Tour LV for me in this boot.

    Will post after liners molded and some ski time in November... but I am stoked on this. Just standing and flexing them feels so much better than the RS 1.0 did for me (soft then hit a wall).

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    So the Tour Wraps will be at my guy's shop in a week or two.

    His recommendation aligns with Lee's experience (post #21) - that I'll end up witb 26 liners in my 25.5 Zero-G shells (shell fit is about 12mm). Lee reports a 27 liner working in his 26.5 Z-G shell.

    I'll report back on what size I end up with and how they work out.

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  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    So the Tour Wraps will be at my guy's shop in a week or two.

    His recommendation aligns with Lee's experience (post #21) - that I'll end up witb 26 liners in my 25.5 Zero-G shells (shell fit is about 12mm). Lee reports a 27 liner working in his 26.5 Z-G shell.

    I'll report back on what size I end up with and how they work out.

    ... Thom
    How did the fit work out? Intuition recommends rounding down on their website for the Tour Wrap, but this thread is recommending the opposite. I have a 27.5 Zero G Tour Pro as well, debating whether to get a 27 or 28 Tour Wrap. Or just using the stock liner for a bit since it seems it's decent?

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    27 Tour Wrap in my XTD 26.5 Happy. YMMV

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    IME intuition Vancover is the shit ... I have driven 13hrs to buy from them
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    A few notes on liner length fit. A nuclear option for liners that feel too short: Cut the toe box off and reinstall the section forward a bit and fill the gap with some foam....dunno if it's a bomber solution yet, haven't thoroughly tested a fresh mod.

    Got some cheap brand spankin' new Intuition HV luxury liners in the same size as my previous ones, size 26/8.

    Baked 'em hot and long, added all the usual padding and toe caps with extra layers of cork to shape a nice roomy toe box...and buckled shells tight for a good compression of foam for the mold.

    First day touring on 'em: after the first hour of grinding uphill; feet prolly did the usual warming up/slight swelling thing and after two hours noticed that the perceived length of liners was an issue...toes were getting crunched. Adjusted buckles, dicked around with footbed; added some arch support to prevent feet from ducking out...didn't solve the problem. At hour three the pain was unbearable so I stopped, pulled the liners, busted out the swiss army knife and cut sections of the liner toe boxes off and taped them back in place about 10mm forward. Instant relief and back to ops normal. There was enough space in the shell to allow for the forward placement of the new toe cap orientation.

    I was hiking 5 days and week and did about 280 000 vert feet of ups plus downs this summer and kinda thinkin' that my feet gained some muscle/ general volume and might've elongated a bit. The previous/old liners felt a hair short on a ski tour earlier on in the fall...weird.

    Gonna have to add some strips of stock intuition foam and hot glue the whole mess together when I get back to Ghettowerx home base. No need for insulation now but will need it in the heart of winter.

    The detached tongue is an experiment...wanna see how a free floating tongue affects subjective forward flex in dh mode, and see if the option of having the option of moving tongue vertically for different snow conditions prove advantageous or not. If not, hot glue it back to stock form. So far, zero negative effect in tour mode. Two run sample size for dh performance offers insufficient data for dh mode performance conclusions.

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  12. #62
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    Does anyone have experience using tour wraps in a hoji pro tour? I've got 28.5s with a shell fit of about 1.5 fingers. I wasn't able to ski the stock liners without a cook, since then, no issues, zero shell punches. I was thinking of sizing up to 29, will that be enough? Sounds like this liner is pretty low volume.

  13. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    IME intuition Vancover is the shit ... I have driven 13hrs to buy from them
    I do the same. They have every model, volume, and size (a wall of options) in stock, and the expertise to determine and fit whatís going to work best between your foot and shell. The tour wrap looked very low volume to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gramboh View Post
    Similar experience to Wetdog above. I haven't skied them yet but was at Intuition Vancouver today with a pair of new Hawx Ultra XTD 130's in 27.5. Shell fit is a bit over a finger, slightly tighter than my previous 27.5 Scarpa Maestrale RS 1.0 (stock Scarpa/Intuition liners) and alpine boots (27.5 Tecnica with Luxury MV). Feet are normalish but wide in the forefoot, measure 109/110mm, plan is for conventional punch along outer foot below toes which I've always needed on any boot I use.

    I tried on the Pro Tour LV on one foot and Tour Wrap on the other. The Pro Tour LV felt comfortable but not enough heel hold and was concerned how it would perform after a bunch of skiing, didn't really like the idea of trying to build it up to take up room either. Pro Tour also didn't feel very substantial flexing forward (I weigh 200lbs). Pro Tour MV wasn't going to fit with the tighter shell fit and he thought sizing up to 28.5 with Pro Tour MV was going to be comfy but sloppy ski wise.

    Tour Wrap felt way better in terms of ski position flex, heel hold etc. Felt a bit tight in the toes but of course heat molding w/ toe cap should fix. Was worried about touring ROM and getting the boot on and off, so he removed laces from the liners (never felt the need for laces, have always removed) and it made a big difference getting boot on/off. Walk mode ROM feels fine in the Hawx. Prettty confident the ski experience in the Tour Wrap will be superior to the Pro Tour LV for me in this boot.

    Will post after liners molded and some ski time in November... but I am stoked on this. Just standing and flexing them feels so much better than the RS 1.0 did for me (soft then hit a wall).
    ^^^^^^
    why not just ski the new stock Hawx ultra xtd liners ?
    just asking i just purchased this years Hawx ultra xtd 27.5 and the fit was good out of the box .
    Have been skiing the Alpine Hawx 2 years 27.5 stock liner.
    love intuitons tough .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbcat View Post
    ^^^^^^
    why not just ski the new stock Hawx ultra xtd liners ?
    just asking i just purchased this years Hawx ultra xtd 27.5 and the fit was good out of the box .
    Have been skiing the Alpine Hawx 2 years 27.5 stock liner.
    love intuitons tough .
    Stock liners felt OK-ish but a bit on the soft side (I weigh 205lbs). Doing an A/B in the living room the Tour Wraps make a nice difference to the flex of the boot and feel fine in touring mode. To be honest I didn't want to be messing around trying to get an appointment @ Intuition mid-season to get new liners. I'd rather pay a couple hundred extra up-front and have all shell work/liner setup done correctly by Tom @ Intuition and have my boots dialed from the get go. Definitely an Intuition fanboy here. I keep the stock liners unused to sell with the boots down the road.

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    Gramboh what size tour wrap for what size ultra xtd did you go ? I'm 170lbs so going to stick with stock liners . You using footbeds. ? I bet the tour wraps will be heaps better getting on an off ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by kootenayskier View Post
    I do the same. They have every model, volume, and size (a wall of options) in stock, and the expertise to determine and fit whatís going to work best between your foot and shell. The tour wrap looked very low volume to me.
    If you are flying thru YVR it is possible on a 5 HR layover to take the sky train into intuition and get new liners. they won't be the absolute cheapest price on intuitions but the expertise/selection will simply be zee best !

    I emailed from Niseko to make an appointment, I told em roughly when I would be coming thru from Japan, it all worked as planned and I got back to the airport in <5 hrs,

    btw they will accomadate you if you don't but you always have to make an appointment

    My neighbor had bought intuitions locally, she was till having problems so she went to Intuition on the way thru Vancover who decided the liners were wrong for her foot so they just swapped them even tho they didnt sell her the liner.

    they do charge a 50$ fitting fee but IMO its worth it to get the best service .
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  18. #68
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    Took the leap and ordered a pair of tour wraps the other day. I'm about as pleased as I can be without having skiied them yet. Had been touring in powerwraps last year, and flimsy stock liners before that in salomon mtn explore. Tour wrap is much stiffer than stock, but somewhat softer than powerwaps. However, walk comfort/range of motion is way beyond powerwraps.

    A stiffer liner really makes the mtn explore come alive, actually pretty decent performance compared to the more burlier/cooler mtn lab.

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    I have had toe bang problems myself i have one foot that is a half size larger than the other, i cut out the liner toe on the end keeping the top and sole intact and sew the toe of a sock all the way around on the end.

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